Why light ( tac one rant)

[Nitroduck]

Well , i figured i'd post my opinnions real quick now that i've got ajusted to the tac one and everything.

When i posted about getting a tac one a while back , there seemed to be a unanimous opinnion on it : they're nice but way heavier than ULE mags. I expected the worst when it came to weight , and i figured it'd weigh the same as my old classic or minimag.......well , i got it and the first thing i noticed about it was how light it was......i mean....compared to my old 68 classic ,it felt like it was 1/2 the weight ( now i know it isn't ). After messing around with it , i took it to the local field guy to get some air since my scuba ran out , and he and his son owned several mags, one happned to be a ygripped ULE emag...... he took the barrel off the ule and let me play around with it.....what did i notice? To me , it didn't feel much lighter than my tac one , now it was lighter but not that severe , not enough to complain at all about........i'm curious why everyone notes a high difference in a tac-one to ULE switch? I was expecting the worst , but i don't see at all why a ULE would be much better (other than looks) because the weight diff to me wasn't that noticable. I put my entire setup on a fishing scale ,it came in at a lil less than 7lbs with hopper , tank, drop , gun barrel ect. Which isn't bad , figruing in that the tank/drop weighs 3.5lbs and the hopper is another 1/2lb. I don't see why so many people think its heavy , i've owned bm2ks , LED and LCD angels , guns that weighed 1.5lbs to 6-7lbs ( just gun ). And to me on the scale of things ,this is on the far light end of the scale.

[kosmo]

[pointm@n]

When i posted about getting a tac one a while back , there seemed to be a unanimous opinnion on it : they're nice but way heavier than ULE mags.

After messing around with it , i took it to the local field guy to get some air since my scuba ran out , and he and his son owned several mags, one happned to be a ygripped ULE emag...... he took the barrel off the ule and let me play around with it.....what did i notice? To me , it didn't feel much lighter than my tac one , now it was lighter but not that severe , not enough to complain at all about........i'm curious why everyone notes a high difference in a tac-one to ULE switch?

Well, from your post I can't really give credence to your "comparison" since there is no such thing as a Y Griped ULE Emag.

I can't comment on a whole Tac One gun as I don't have one. What I can comment on is that the ULE Body weighs in at about 5 ounces. The Tac One body weighs in at about 8 ounces. I have both bodies and I used a little kitchen scale to weigh them. It's not a digital scale so it is not 100% accurate, but still illustrates my point.

I've commented before that when I switched from a ULE body on my emag to a Tac One body, I noticed a difference and I knew the Tac1 body weighed significantly more than a ULE. Maybe that is where the misconception is. Some people were referring to the weight of just the body while some people took it as the entire marker.

Let me know if you want pictures because I can back it up with a digital camera, just too lazy to do it right now...

July

[Nitroduck]

i ment u grip ule RTP , sorry.


If a tac one weighs 3oz more than a ULE.........thats nothing.

I got a brass valve in my autococker that weighs about 4 ounces so i don't see so much of a point.

[pointm@n]

i ment u grip ule RTP , sorry.


If a tac one weighs 3oz more than a ULE.........thats nothing.

I got a brass valve in my autococker that weighs about 4 ounces so i don't see so much of a point.

Well when the regular body weights 5ounces and the Tac1 is 8ounces that's a 3 ounce difference. 3 ounces may not seem a lot but that means the Tac1 body it'self weighs 1.6 times more than the ULE body.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think 3 ounces is a big deal either. That's why i don't see the big draw for swapping my emag valves for an Xvalve. But add a couple ounces hear and there and things start to add up. The RTP rail is heavier than the Tac1 markers AM/MM rail as well so that probably evens up things too. The RTP foregrip and carriage is also probably heavier than the Tac1 marker's gas thru grip.

The only conclusions I've drawn is that the body of the Tac1 weighs significantly more than the ULE body. I can't draw any conclusions about the Tac1 marker and the Custom RTP because I don't have one.

July

[GoatBoy]

Heh... I measured my tank cover -- that thing's 2oz by itself.


I think you guys need to consider that weight adds up, in more ways than one.

For starters, an ounce here, 3-4 ounces there don't mean much by themselves. But when you start adding them up and start getting close to a pound, then it matters. You're not going to be able to get that much weight savings in any one part alone, but if you were to be diligent about it, you could eventually make an appreciable impact by changing or removing parts.



Second, even a little weight can wear you down if you're playing for extended periods of time. My hand has in the past had a tendency to cramp up after 2 days of playing paintball.

[mobius]

Very true. I used to be heavily into mountain biking (going so far as to race many times), and I can recall the days of comparing parts to save a few grams here and there. That's grams, mind you, not even ounces. (There are about 453 grams to a pound) It all added up, though, as my once 29 pound bike was reduced to about 23 pounds. At the time, this was considered very light for a mountain bike. Especially one with hydraulic brakes.

[AcemanPB]

Can someone who has a digital scale please weigh for me 160 paintballs (a full hopper). Or even an actual hopper full of paintballs.

If a paintball is 2-3 grams (we'll say 2.5) then 160 paintballs would be 400 grams. 400 grams is about 14.5 ounces. Just a little prespective. I think a paintball gun's balace is just as if not more important than the weight. I've shot and played with just about every paintball gun under the sun and from my experiences I'd rather have a nicely balanced paintball gun that weighs a little more. Of course the ideal situation would be to have a really light AND balanced paintball gun, I'm just saying if I'd have to pick between the two I'd go for a well balanced paintball gun. And also keep in mind balance, like so many other things in paintball, is a personal preference. We all hold our guns different ways and have different shooting styles, so of course one gun that seems to have a good balance might not to one of my friends.

[GoatBoy]

Can someone who has a digital scale please weigh for me 160 paintballs (a full hopper). Or even an actual hopper full of paintballs.

If a paintball is 2-3 grams (we'll say 2.5) then 160 paintballs would be 400 grams. 400 grams is about 14.5 ounces. Just a little prespective. I think a paintball gun's balace is just as if not more important than the weight. I've shot and played with just about every paintball gun under the sun and from my experiences I'd rather have a nicely balanced paintball gun that weighs a little more. Of course the ideal situation would be to have a really light AND balanced paintball gun, I'm just saying if I'd have to pick between the two I'd go for a well balanced paintball gun. And also keep in mind balance, like so many other things in paintball, is a personal preference. We all hold our guns different ways and have different shooting styles, so of course one gun that seems to have a good balance might not to one of my friends.

Standard paintball weight limit is 3.5g


Don't really have numbers for anything else... I should buy a scale one of these days.