About impact force from paintballs

[Hellaspaint]

Have you ever noticed differences on the impact force from paintballs??
I mean... some paintballs heart more than others. We are talking correct chrono procedure and not shooting at very close.
I am asking that because different brands heart more. Some are doing more than a simple red circle on our skin.
I need your experience and your opinion.

[shartley]

[ZapTheMad]

I noticed that last weekend. This one guy was using this white paint with a really thick fill. I think the balls hit harder and were a little heavier. Of course getting shot in the back of the head 3 times doesn't help ease the pain any either. People like that piss me off. Take the pack shot, no need to headhunt.

[Hellaspaint]

I suppose there is not specifications or limits about that, i mean the impact force and the pain you can get from a paintball. The only i know is a limit on the weight from ASTM, i think is 3.2 grms maximum????

I am always thinking about safety on paintball sport.
But i think there is not enough specifications on important safety items like barell condoms for example. I think there is no tests on that items. Everybody can produce them without testing and selecting carefully the material.
What do you think about that??

[shartley]

I suppose there is not specifications or limits about that, i mean the impact force and the pain you can get from a paintball. The only i know is a limit on the weight from ASTM, i think is 3.2 grms maximum????

I am always thinking about safety on paintball sport.
But i think there is not enough specifications on important safety items like barell condoms for example. I think there is no tests on that items. Everybody can produce them without testing and selecting carefully the material.
What do you think about that??

[Hellaspaint]

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I think the companies that make theirs like that are just worried about making a buck, and providing a “disposable” product… “Heck, it stopped one ball, right? Now go buy another one.”

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You are adsolutely right. But that is dangerous.
How you testing these nice barell condoms??? {I visited your web site!!!!}

[Beemer]

what standards nobody cares

I suppose there is not specifications or limits about that, i mean the impact force and the pain you can get from a paintball. The only i know is a limit on the weight from ASTM, i think is 3.2 grms maximum????

I am always thinking about safety on paintball sport.
But i think there is not enough specifications on important safety items like barell condoms for example. I think there is no tests on that items. Everybody can produce them without testing and selecting carefully the material.
What do you think about that??

You got that right

Ya they put up some gun standards just so nobody would follow them. The barrel bag was the answer to unsafe guns shooting more then 1 shot and shooting out the plug. If the gun is safe a plug works fine.

You are truely right about the standards tho. and no proof of testing[that would cost to much]


4500 psi on one end and plastic line on the other. no stated ratings on just about everything we use.

How many valves you see out there rated at 3000psi? What will happen if the tank reg fails and you get 3000psi or more going to the gun. Anybody know who really tests their stuff

[shartley]

You are adsolutely right. But that is dangerous.
How you testing these nice barell condoms??? {I visited your web site!!!!}

[Hellaspaint]

How many valves you see out there rated at 3000psi? What will happen if the tank reg fails and you get 3000psi or more going to the gun. Anybody know who really tests their stuff

As i know only the valve from AGD!!!!

You mention the air fills. Now we have 3000psi to 5000psi bottles and regulators. All have the same exactly fill port. I think that is a big mistake of paintball industry. It is totally unsafe and very-very dangerous. They should have different fill ports. Now it is possible to fill a 3000psi bottle with 5000psi. If the fill ports was different that is impossible.
For example you can not fill a 3000psi SCUBA bottle from a 4500psi SCUBA commpressor- adaptor. They are not compartible.

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Shartley thank you for your time to inform us about that. Very interesting info.

[Beemer]

As i know only the valve from AGD!!!!

You mention the air fills. Now we have 3000psi to 5000psi bottles and regulators. All have the same exactly fill port. I think that is a big mistake of paintball industry. It is totally unsafe and very-very dangerous. They should have different fill ports. Now it is possible to fill a 3000psi bottle with 5000psi. If the fill ports was different that is impossible.
For example you can not fill a 3000psi SCUBA bottle from a 4500psi SCUBA commpressor- adaptor. They are not compartible.

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Shartley thank you for your time to inform us about that. Very interesting info.

Well they dont care about safety only making money. Why do we use screw in tanks worst idea ever. They go by the idea cheaper to make sell more.

[Hellaspaint]

I am coming again about the impact force of a paintball!!!
I was thinking to build something that can count that force. I mean to count the Kg per square cm or pounds per square inches or something similar
I need your knowledge, your experience your ideas.
It will be a very interesting experiment!!!
I was thinking of a flat digital weight scale with big surface - well protected- and shoot at that to find the weight????
Any ideas??
May be Mr Tom can help us???

thank's

[kscullin]

I, myself, have never trusted barrel plugs. As far as I'm concerned, they are used to placate insurance companies and help convince the cops they're not real guns. Absolutely useless as a safety device. The only ones I would rely on is my makrer's safety, basic firearm safety procedures, and common sense. Then I saw barrel condoms, and observed them for awhile. Again, I was dissatisfied - not sure about what, just didn't "feel" much safer than a plug to me, but at least a better idea. So I decided to make my own.

I made one out of denim, a shoelace and a drawstring keeper (the things where you push down a spring-loaded button and slide them up a drawstring), with a red denim flag at the end for added visibility. I tested it, and it only lasted for 5 shots before the side blew out. Tried again, and it lasted for at least 10 shots (my minimum requirement), but the keeper had a tendency to start sliding down the string on the 3rd shot or so, so I knotted up the strings to prevent that. Once it would survive at least 10 shots at a minimum of 320 fps, and remain secured on the barrel, that's when I decided I had a good design.

Imagine my horror (but lack of real surprise, due to my previous "feeling") when I found out that barrel condoms are only rated to block the barrel for one shot! With todays ultra-light electronic triggers, R/Ts, F/A and burst mode, etc., a dropped marker that accidentally discharges could, theoretically, fire 5 or more paintballs before stopping. I find a barrel blocking device that only blocks the barrel for 1 shot to be a pretty poor safety device. The primary difference between barrel plugs and barrel condoms, IMHO, is that at least the condom will not fly out and across the field, possibly injuring someone.

In short, IMHO, there needs to be some closer attention paid to these supposed "safety devices", and more emphasis on players keeping their equipment safe (safeties working and used at all times when not on the field; keeping appendages away from the trigger unless you intend to shoot, etc.) without relying on barrel blocking devices to do that for them. Shartley, I'm glad to see that you test yours, but you (and those like you) appear to me to be the exception rather than the rule. Most people just buy whatever's cheapest, slap it on their marker and call it safe. Considering that, I believe it's up to the industry to make sure they're right.

[Trick]

Hey... the AGD valves are rated at 3k psi, what happens when my 4500 tank's regulator and the on gun regulator fails? OH NOES!!

How many failed tank regulators resulting in the explosion of a person's marker have you heard of? It just doesn't happen.

Barrel condoms, however, are a key problem. I see weaker, cheaper condoms get shot off and all over the place all the time. Hell, some kid almost took one of my eyes when he blasted his off...

[trains are bad]

In short, IMHO, there needs to be some closer attention paid to these supposed "safety devices", and more emphasis on players keeping their equipment safe (safeties working and used at all times when not on the field; keeping appendages away from the trigger unless you intend to shoot, etc.) without relying on barrel blocking devices to do that for them.

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Hurray I agree 300%. I wear eye protection anywhere there are markers handled by unknown ppl, regardless of any safety devices. I have seen way to many egregious safety violations, usually from ppl with no background with firearms. And then they look at me all weird when i get mad on them because they are dryfiring their marker at my face.

It just doesn't happen.

A dangerous, and IMO immature attitude.

on topic, brittle paint hurts less.

[Trick]

A dangerous, and IMO immature attitude.

Call it whatever you want, but it just doesn't happen. Preparing for a failed tank reg (even though most high end guns (which are what most nitrogen systems are slapped on anyway) have another inline regulator) is like preparing for a tornado at a paintball field. It could happen, but it's more than likely not.

If you really want to play it safe, don't play paintball. No matter what you do, you have 4500 psi of death strapped onto your marker. There is now way to guarantee absolute safety with that much power tucked near your face.