Sydarm FAQ?

[Beemer]

If I had to do it, I would invent the right sized N2 12grams

Thats a good one. This is from my first post on this forum.

"Hey Wizard got the guys at the shop putting compressed air in my empty co2 cartridge's so I can use the 6-pack and Micro CA again"

Guess what you said..........."This post makes zero sense"
Does it now?

[trevorjk]

you know there is a mod out there...

lets take a pt extreme.

a co2 cylinder(a peice of alluminum machined to fit) with a bottomline coming out of it can be placed into the spot where the co2 cylinders go. and then you can run a bottomline to the grip frame. machine screw holes to hold an ASA and run a 13 ci or a 45 ci tank... a few people at the local proshop have done that...

and another thing...

for vertical co2 holders (wich im guessing the sydarm is) brass eagle had a 40$ kit that allowed you to run a bottomline off of those to... so really if you want you can run compressed air of of either types of pistols

http://www.countypaintball.com/produ....asp?item=2969 - vert
http://www.cops911.com/product.asp?id=10158 - horizontal

[bofh]

for vertical co2 holders (wich im guessing the sydarm is) brass eagle had a 40$ kit that allowed you to run a bottomline off of those to... so really if you want you can run compressed air of of either types of pistols

Um, have you even looked at a picture of a sydarm? It uses a normal mag frame.

However, there is a CA kit for a sydarm. Kinda pointless in my mind, but cool anyway. i guess I need a MicroCA

[trevorjk]

well i wasnt to sure

anyways i just thought id voice my opinions in that there are adapters out there to run actual tanks off of pistols

and heres a link for a small HPA tank you can get taht would work great in my opinion you have to look at there site but there is a 13ci tank tehre

http://www.getrealpaintball.com/

[Muzikman]

Yes, there is a CA adapter for the Sydarm. And yes you can run it on HPA using it, but even with the 13ci tank, it would end up being too big to use as a sidearm. Years ago I saw N2 cylinders what were just a tad larger than a 12gram, but still the same idea (small disposable on time use cylinder). Just need to make one that would fit inplace of the normal 12grams.

[Jack & Coke]

Ah... if you ran a bottomline kit, it wouldn't be a pistol anymore!

From: http://www.cooper-t.com/sheridan.html

C/A PGP Complete

Here is a setup for C/A on your PGP. This is a back mule velocity adjuster air tube and 12grm adapter. The only modification needed is the slot in the pump to clear the tube or you can add the Nasty Pump. Add an E-Q pull bolt and you really have a sweet competitive gun.

Price: $49.95

E-Z Air Bottom Drop

Drill a hole in the side or bottom of the 12grm chamber, insert the dummy, screw in the ASA adapter and you now have C/A. It will accept any tank or a Rat-attack for quick change.

Price: $17.95

[Burphel]

Neither of the Cooper T bits will work as-is. The bottom one will if you're willing to drill a hole in your Sydarm. I talked with him about doing a dummy 12g that would fit in the stock vent slot before I found my OEM CA plug.

As for it being a pistol, if you put a 12g on the bottomline and build a one-way check valve, it doesn't alter the feel much, is still holsterable and improves your shot count a bit while making changes a *lot* easier.

Or...

This with a foregrip is comfy as all getout. Just forgot to stick it on for the picture.


But we're missing the whole freakin' point of this thread.
Can we get a manual posted online to answer some of these questions that keep coming up?

[AGD]

"What would I do if I was designing the Sydarm from scratch?"

I would make an internal air chamber in front and under the barrel. I would refill it like a compressed air bottle. I would also make the balls feed from the bottom like a clip but t his would mean putting the sear system on the outside of the gun. This way the gun would be half as tall, not have co2 issues, reload with a clip and cost 1000 dollars.

AGD

[Muzikman]

But we're missing the whole freakin' point of this thread.
Can we get a manual posted online to answer some of these questions that keep coming up?

Burph, I am actually putting something together. The basic stuff that people keep asking. We'll see how it goes.

[GoatBoy]

I personally do not have a polished body Sydarm. I bought mine the same way everyone else up until last year did, someone had one for sale.

As for the polished ones being stolen property. I did not steal them and the people who bought them did not know they were stolen, so don't make me look like the bad guy here. AGD can do what ever they want, but this is the first time that I have actually seen them screw a loyal customer out of money. It might be indirect, but Tom knew the street value of a Sydarm. I have talked to Tom about my Sydarm many times. I begged him to sell me a new body, I offered him $300 to fix it when it was broke. He would not because as he tells me they are too expensive to produce and fix. Now, what he might be doing is flushing out old inventory and raising his revenue this year. For AGD this is a good thing, for us collectors, it is a bad thing.

Someone made a comment on POG that people should not invest in paintball guns. I do not "invest" I collect, there is a difference. But when I pay top dollar for an item because of it's rarity, I usually expect it to hold it's value and not become common. I guess maybe this is why I should just stick to the old guns where the manuf no longer exists.

I've been trying to reason this one out, and I just can't.

People out there WANT Sydarms. AGD had them. They decided to sell them to those who wanted them. On the one hand, AGD might have "screwed" you, but on the other hand, a lot of people get what they want. So you're telling me you would rather keep a product that's laying around out of other people's hands for the purpose of keeping your gun's value? That's not very nice. I can't really see this as AGD's fault (Other than refusing to fix yours when it broke. That totally sucks.) It's not their responsibility to keep your gun valuable as a collector's item.

Now, as far as the value of yours goes... It's not like AGD's going into production with these, right? How many of these are being released? Once the last ones are out of AGD's hands, what do you think is going to happen to the values of the guns?

You might not call it an 'investment', but to me, you made a gamble. Perhaps you would prefer that AGD ceased to exist, in order to protect your... collection value?



Just my 0.02

[Muzikman]

I've been trying to reason this one out, and I just can't.

Perhaps you would prefer that AGD ceased to exist, in order to protect your... collection value?



Just my 0.02

Yep, you got me.

[Lohman446]

"What would I do if I was designing the Sydarm from scratch?"

I would make an internal air chamber in front and under the barrel. I would refill it like a compressed air bottle. I would also make the balls feed from the bottom like a clip but t his would mean putting the sear system on the outside of the gun. This way the gun would be half as tall, not have co2 issues, reload with a clip and cost 1000 dollars.

AGD

Where do I send my deposit?

Ok.. here it is - I've decided screw the tournament scene.. Im playing scenario ball. With the money I save on paint.. tis conceivale to spend that on a marker, besides I think my E-mag is getting well boring, its time to go mech, and I am going to have my Vertical Stock Class pump mag built soon enough...

[1ofkind]

Someone has to invent micro HPA tanks, heh...

[Burphel]

Well, a CO2 tank's working pressure is 1800 psi. You could use a CA kit, put a reg on a 4oz tank and replace the HP burst disc with a CO2 burst disc. Fill to 15k and you've got... about as many shots as a 12g .

Since I'm lucky enough to have one that doesn't freeze up, I'll just stick with 12g's. Although I'd start selling some stuff (anybody need a B- kidney?) if they made the hypothetical 'Sydarm OMG' .

[Jack & Coke]

a CO2 tank's working pressure is 1800 psi.

I think that's a little high...