wow... just... Wow

[desslock]

Peeps dont read

Question:

How many animals did Moses take on the ark with him?

[Cheeseball24]

Question:

How many animals did Moses take on the ark with him?

none. noah built the ark. thats old lol

[desslock]

good job cheeseball a lot of people start trying to count off animals 2x2 in their head. That was the 1st question on a hunters saftey course.

[the larch]

unethical and immoral.
In these auctions the seller is intentionally misleading buyers.
the devil doesn't lie, he decieves. The phrase "buyer beware" is a safeguard for the buyer, not a license for a deceptive seller.
For those of you who think this is "brilliant" I want you to imagine having a 13 year old son who saved his money up for a long time so that he could play paintball and got an empty box because some moron thought it would be cool to get a quick dishonest buck.
You can rationalize it however you want, but we know the truth, the seller is trying to screw a buyer. When you cut to the chase, its just wrong.

[Chicago Pb 7]

unethical and immoral.
In these auctions the seller is intentionally misleading buyers.
the devil doesn't lie, he decieves. The phrase "buyer beware" is a safeguard for the buyer, not a license for a deceptive seller.
For those of you who think this is "brilliant" I want you to imagine having a 13 year old son who saved his money up for a long time so that he could play paintball and got an empty box because some moron thought it would be cool to get a quick dishonest buck.
You can rationalize it however you want, but we know the truth, the seller is trying to screw a buyer. When you cut to the chase, its just wrong.

Larch, I agree with you on some points, but I'm 15 and before I bought my marker I did extensive research about the marker itself and where I'm purchasing it from, if that 13 year old kid couldn't at least read the whole description about what he is buying then chances are that they are not ready to have a marker.

[the larch]

but, justifying your actions by saying the buyer deserved it doesn't change what YOU have done. Saying that some how, a buyer's shortcomings justify your actions to take his money is absurd. You do not hold a victim accountable for the crime.
The seller is intentionally decieving the buyer. Whether or not the victim deserves it has nothing to do with the seller's accountabilty or his/hers responsibility for the action.
Leaving hundred dollar bills on my open window sill instead of in safe is STUPID, but it doesn't change the crime when someone steals it.

[Chicago Pb 7]

Ya, thats true but people just have to be more careful now.

[spyder_technician]

I don't know what you guys are complaining about. The kid got a lot with that Impy box, even if he didn't get the gun. I only wonder how that guy managed to get Alan Keyes into that little tiny box...

On a more serious note, it sounds like the kid didn't get screwed after all. Am I right? I would do something like this, but I'm too much of a softie. If I did do something like this, I would send the kid his money back along with a strict warning. I might even send a letter addressed to his parents... nah, I'm not that much of a hard@$$.

[FallNAngel]

but, justifying your actions by saying the buyer deserved it doesn't change what YOU have done.

Which is what? Clearly describe in detail what was being sold? It's the buyers job to read the auction and understand what they're bidding on. If the buyer wants to read a few bullets then skip the paragraph that has further details, then that's the buyers fault, not the sellers.

Saying that some how, a buyer's shortcomings justify your actions to take his money is absurd. You do not hold a victim accountable for the crime.

Yes, but how is the buyer a "victim"? Had the buyer actually read the auction, it wouldn't have happened. Unsure about what's being sold? Send an e-mail and ask or don't bid.

Whether or not the victim deserves it has nothing to do with the seller's accountabilty or his/hers responsibility for the action.

So because the buyer is too lazy to read and understand the contract that they're entering, it's the sellers fault now? How does that work again?

As far as the stealing from a 13 year old comment, you have to be 18 or older to register on eBay.

[Destructo6]

So because the buyer is too lazy to read and understand the contract that they're entering, it's the sellers fault now? How does that work again?

So, if a software manufacturer inserted "And I agree to send all of my personal earnings to xxx corp from this day forth." into the middle of their EULA, do you suppose you would be bound to the agreement? After all, it was there in black and white and you did agree to it.

This guy's feedback, as well as the auction, indicates he's a schister. Looks like some shill bidding, too.

[toolfan62]

good job t33kboy..i dont know why u all gotta hate..if the ppl r dumb enough to pay for somethin that cleary states its a pic..then they deserve it..

[AR55 MtM]

I wish I had an Alan key

[the larch]

Yes, if you leave your marker laying were someone can get ahold of it you deserve to get it stolen.
If your sister wears a short skirt, she deserves to get raped.
Your kidding right?
Fallnangel:
I think you are missing my point. The stupidity of the victim doesn't change the crime.
Either:
A. you believe the seller is being honest.
B. You believe the seller is deliberately trying to deceive.
that is the only real question as to weither or not the seller is wrong.
To most of us, it is pretty obvious that the seller is trying to deceive people. Deception for profit is immoral and unethical.

destructo06. I love your point btw.

[FallNAngel]

So, if a software manufacturer inserted "And I agree to send all of my personal earnings to xxx corp from this day forth." into the middle of their EULA, do you suppose you would be bound to the agreement? After all, it was there in black and white and you did agree to it.

This guy's feedback, as well as the auction, indicates he's a schister. Looks like some shill bidding, too.

By law, yes, I do believe I would be bound to that agreement. I should've read what I was agreeing to before I said yes.

Yes, if you leave your marker laying were someone can get ahold of it you deserve to get it stolen.

Deserve to get it stolen? No. It has nothing whether you *deserve* to get it stolen. Much the same though, you have no excuse if/when it does get stolen.

If your sister wears a short skirt, she deserves to get raped.

This just plain doesn't apply here. She's not walking around with a short skirt that says "rape me" then complaining about it. Much like the people reading the auctions, they choose to believe what they want to believe. The auctions are very clear on what they're selling. In all of them it says "only a picture, not the real marker", etc. Now if the seller chooses to read past that, that is their fault whether you choose to believe so or not.

I think you are missing my point. The stupidity of the victim doesn't change the crime.
Either:
A. you believe the seller is being honest.
B. You believe the seller is deliberately trying to deceive.
that is the only real question as to weither or not the seller is wrong.
To most of us, it is pretty obvious that the seller is trying to deceive people. Deception for profit is immoral and unethical.

No, I fully understand your point, I just happen to disagree with it. You say deception for profit is immoral and unethical, which I agree with. I just do not believe the seller is being deceptive. He's not trying to make the buyer believe he's selling something he isn't, it clearly says he's selling the box and the parts inside. No where does it say anything at all about the marker. Hell, eBay won't even do anything. Why? Not because they're "lame" or "lazy", it's because it was plainly stated in the auction what was being sold. Buyer beware directly applies here. Read the auction and understand what you're bidding on. If you don't, you have no right to complain when things go wrong.

[Destructo6]

By law, yes, I do believe I would be bound to that agreement. I should've read what I was agreeing to before I said yes.

"Reason" is the basis for all laws, crimes, etc. If reason, not legalese, tells you that such a EULA is valid, you need to try again.

Deserve to get it stolen? No. It has nothing whether you *deserve* to get it stolen. Much the same though, you have no excuse if/when it does get stolen.

No, you are missing the point. The thief's actions are completely independant of the victim's. The victim may have neglected to safegaurd his belongings, but that in no way mitigates the act of theft. Actor A took what is not his: that's the only consideration.