NXL trigger spec changed

[nastymag]

he was talking about the directiong the game is going on to.

as far as i see it the NXL is a joke ( not x-ball ...that is hella fun)
NXL was always a joke to me. their Standards will probably trickle down.
so pressure from sponsers will force the NPPL to do it ...then XPSL....you know what happens next. then if this move on to rec fields...which would have a hard time regulating this , it could get bad.


thats my 2.cents

Sly

[rdb123]

NXL is more of a joke now since they finally fell to the pressure of teams threatening to leave if they weren't allowed to play another series. Denver NPPL is going to have Aftershock and the Assassins playing (under different names of course).

[tony3]

Aftershock will be playing as aftershock, assassins will be playing as ironmen. NXL is becoming more and more of a joke. Why are the best players playing in a league where they aren't even seeing money to win? They have such a great concept, that they are just screwing up imo.

[rdb123]

Yep, Aftershock is playing under Shock. Kenny Klamper and Travis Day both come out and practice with our team about twice a month.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

It could have been a sport. That was the goal of X-ball. Now look what they do, like Tom said earlier, this is against ASTM standards. Just limit the BPS to 15 and be done with it. There is no need to shoot any faster. If you can run through a 15bps stream of hellfire, please show me, it's damn-near impossible unless you get incredibly lucky.

Another reason why I don't like x-ball nor do I want to play it. And I don't care if it doesn't matter for divisions. The point of x-ball was to make this be a recognizable sport. Them allowing cheaters into the game because they're too pansy to suck it up and DQ players for having illegal guns, then screw it, I don't want to play it.

Ther is no needto shoot any more than 2-3BPS. If you have the skill to lead a moving target. Super-high BPS just makes it easier, since you just wait for the other guy to run into your stream.

A BPS limit isn't the solution, and never was. The solution is to have verifiable standards for the technology, so the playing field is as level as possible. E-guns, by their nature, are not verifiable.


IF this change is true, it is a concern for all of us, even those who have no aspirations to play NXL. Those boards and those standards WILL trickle down into lower-level tourney play, and into rec play as well. How many of your buddies will come back for a second game of rec-ball if they keep getting lit-up by a skill-less punk with a 25BPS e-gun?

[Torbo]

forget it. You people think you can be competitive playing major tourneys while shooting 5 bps. Id like to see it happen. Go ahead and try a run through with a model 98. Even if everyone is shooting mech cocekrs, chances are you'll get rolled. No, the gun istn everything. But it is a major part.

Im getting real sick of people on here nit picking. Ok, so youre gun never ever bounces. Good for you. Others do. Does that discredit everyone elses? Or does the fact that you can play rec ball with a stock gun and shoot someone running 60 feet away mean that other people can? or that you could do that in a competitive setting? or if so, why is it you dont go to an nppl event shooting a phantom? All anyone does is cry about how everyone illegaly shoots so fast. Granted, some good solutions and ideas are being thrown around.

[pito189]

right buddy, keep thinking that.

anyway, the thing that pisses me off most about bounce is how its checked for. IF you pull the trigger slowly, looking for a sweetspot, EVERY GUN WILL BOUNCE. but that isnt really bounce. Its just the recoil actuating the switch, which is inpractical to try in a game anyway. I dont like how thats qualified as bounce, and gets legal guns pulled, when a ton of guns just go nuts when you double tap them.

right buddy, keep thinking that.

I've had my WAS'ed Viking on debounce of 3 (the setting I played with) and there is no bounce at all when pulling it slowly. I've used whole tanks trying from every angle, every speed, and every direction to get it to bounce, and nothing. So that theory for EVERY GUN is out the window.

[magman007]

right buddy, keep thinking that.

anyway, the thing that pisses me off most about bounce is how its checked for. IF you pull the trigger slowly, looking for a sweetspot, EVERY GUN WILL BOUNCE. but that isnt really bounce. Its just the recoil actuating the switch, which is inpractical to try in a game anyway. I dont like how thats qualified as bounce, and gets legal guns pulled, when a ton of guns just go nuts when you double tap them.

u aee ,the thing i dont get, is this was never a problem, untill was came around. BOUNCE was not an issue, and if it was, it was a simple switch replacement. thats how it should have stayed

[Jeffy-CanCon]

right buddy, keep thinking that.

I know a fair number of people who can hit a running man at 60ft with a stock-pistol.

If they don't "need" more firepower than that, why do the competitive players who are supposed to be the best? Paintballers played competitive tourney's for almost a decade before the ROF got above 5BPS. It's just easier and cooler to play with the latest hi-tech markers.

If everyone has the same level of gear, you don't "need" more than a stock-pistol to compete in paintball. If everyone has a marker that shoots 10BPS, or 15, or 20, then it makes sense to compete with the same level of gear. But once you talk about scaling back, as Blazestorm did, you can't say that you "need" a certain BPS. That's BS.

[louie]

I haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating something.
Many people have already said that it would be too difficult to check each and every gun on the field. I think the simplest solution might be to use a standardized loaders. The loaders would be maintained and handed out the people running the tournament. The loaders would be given out randomly to the players prior to the game and then take back afterwards. A gun can have all the bounce and ramping but if a 30BPS gun is limited by a 17BPS loader, it can only shoot as fast as the loader can feed. Maintaining 1000 loaders would be more efficient than checking and teching 1000 guns.
I think either Odyssey, VL, etc. would love to have all of the players using their hoppers. I know the topic of of sponsorships, tournament support, company support for the tournament, etc. will come into play but this might be the easiest way to curb illegal guns. Also, the league would lose less money if they used standardized loaders instead of standardized guns. There are a lot more companies that make paitnball guns than ones that produce loaders.

[firebanex]

yeah thats the way make them all use revys then they would be limited to under 12bps. that would be good, just think about it.

[GoatBoy]

No, you need to go the other way.

It's better TV to see players get HIT 25 times a second, rather than 15. It's the "bread and circuses" syndrome. People like to see suffering and pain, and watching a guy get hit 20 times is better TV. If I'm wrong, then why does the NFL broadcasts have slow-motion replays of the hard hits, and really get into showing hte people at home "Wow, look at that ankle. I'ts not supposed to bend like that!"

The Romans had it dialed in. We're just re-discovering it.

-Tyger

OK man. Stop right there.










That's just plain funny! I had never thought of it from this angle.


I personally have no interest in 'pro' or tournament paintball really.

But to see these guys get injured? You've suddenly piqued my interest! Damn straight I'll be buying the special edition DVD with bonus footage of them spending 10 minutes searching the field for someone's eyeball, only to find it had landed in the bleachers!

25BPS is too slow though, they need to hit the full 30+. They also need to make full facemasks optional. Who wants to see a bunch of facemasked pansies playing paintball?


That would make for some satisfying viewing. The thought of it makes me want to go eat red meat right now. Like a big, bleeding steak.

[Destructo6]

They might be able to do it like racing, from pro to amatuer: everybody goes through tech before the event starts. Anything blatantly out of place can be corrected and re-submitted while tech is open.

If you win or somebody lodges a complaint, you can expect the entire team's equipment to be impounded, scrutinized, and disassembled. Any discrepancy would require the disqualification of the team.

If you had an organization with the cajones to do it equipment cheating would fade dramatically. Of course, the only way to grow such a pair is if the sponsors demand it and the prize money is such that to make competition outside of this organization inviable.

BTW, what's so diffucult about 1 pull = 1 shot?

[Rather]

Its all true then huh? I overheard Gerald Garcia talking about this when he was loitering about at TPF.

And from what I understood ramping still wasn't alowed along with the full auto.. but then again i have terrible ears so someone correct me if im wrong.

[GoatBoy]

BTW, what's so diffucult about 1 pull = 1 shot?

Is there a formal definition of what a pull (minimum pull?) is?