The rain of terror continues..... PMI falls victim to SP

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  • vonort
    Registered User
    • Mar 2004
    • 274

    #46
    license agreement, extortion same thing in this case. You call it what you want. I'll call it what i want. To me its EXTORTION. And yes I know what the big words mean little man.
    Proud supporter of the SP Boycott

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    • Lohman446
      Useful posts: 7
      • Jun 2003
      • 9315

      #47
      I think you will find DB is right on this one, and it is cnjecture as noone in the industry is talking... this SP thing has been coming, and people have been ducking.

      Dye owns the spool valve theory, no doubt on that one or the rights to it or whatever. The Shocker needs it - I think you will find there is a pretty good agreement between Dye and SP and it likely involved very little money changing hands.

      SP needs NPS to distribute, maybe not needs but its handy to have them. I would bet there is a simple agreement there as well.

      I also recall TK mentioning at one point offering to help with the Shocker in exchange for a liscensing agreeemtn and being turned down - I think that SP got a lot of "nice" deals out of it that involved little money.
      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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      • AGD
        The man from AGD

        • Oct 2000
        • 5916

        #48
        LOL!! LMFAO!! PMI thought it would be years before it went through court and got around to them, they never took it seriously.

        And the SP machine marches on! Not many peeps left...

        AGD
        sigpic

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        • Meph
          AO's Tippmann Guy
          • Aug 2002
          • 737

          #49
          People whine and cry about getting paintball in the "mainstream" as if that's an actual goal to accomplish or something, like it has any real meaning. Suddenly it approaches that territory.

          Yet then people whine and cry when they failed to realize the territory that came with the mainstream popularity.



          Never ceases to amaze me w/ some people. Can't have best of both worlds, and now it's too late to turn back. Oh well.

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          • atm743
            AKA & Macdev fan
            • Aug 2003
            • 3235

            #50
            you know jest for the heck of it i would love to see smarts parts crash!! jest see them on the news when the news says " smart parts a major paintball company crashed"!! and if it did mabey agd will start making more x mags!!

            ~my e-mag~

            ~ule frame~
            ~ule rail~
            ~x-valve~
            ~3.2 software~
            ~polished no-rise body~
            ~black 10" freak kit~
            ~smoke halo b~
            ~Fl05283 68 3000 flatline~

            "Let them eat war [x2]
            That's how to ration the poor
            Let them eat war [x2]

            There's an urgent need to feed"

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            • teufelhunden
              Registered Bamf
              • Jul 2003
              • 2691

              #51
              Originally posted by vonort
              license agreement, extortion same thing in this case. You call it what you want. I'll call it what i want. To me its EXTORTION. And yes I know what the big words mean little man.

              I'll call it what it is, you call it your fairy tale thing, mmk?
              SwallowBleach: It's good for you.

              www.seckspb.com: for all your third party needs


              Where have all the scooters gone? -BobTheCow

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              • kruger
                KRUGER GRIPS

                • Jun 2004
                • 1915

                #52
                what most here are not seeing is that it doesnt matter if smart parts goes out of business or not, the patents will still belong to somebody and they will enforce the patents untill they run out. If I am not mistaken, they run about 17 years before they are not valid. So, for the duration of the patent life, somebody will be collecting money off of every electro gun covered by the patent.. It just happents to be Smart Parts, could just as easily be Dirk Diggler.
                WOW, sigs. Havent seen these in a while here on AO.

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                • DiRTyBuNNy
                  Registered User
                  • Sep 2001
                  • 4854

                  #53
                  Originally posted by AGD
                  And the SP machine marches on! Not many peeps left...

                  AGD
                  **Butthead voice** uuhhh..hhhuuuhhh...Tom said peeps...
                  Dirty Clothes for Dirty Ballers!

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                  • vonort
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 274

                    #54
                    Originally posted by teufelhunden
                    I'll call it what it is, you call it your fairy tale thing, mmk?

                    You can stay in denial land all you want. What I know is if you color and apple orange its still an apple. If you wrap extortion into a "licensing agreement" its still EXTORTION.
                    Proud supporter of the SP Boycott

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                    • ß?µ£ §mµ®ƒ
                      University of Rochester
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1012

                      #55
                      Does anyone think this is ever going to end until they win?
                      • AGD "Yea well our intention is to
                        take over the world....one country at a time..... :)"

                      • Rt Pro X Valved Warp fed My Rtp
                      • Props to Echo for the sig

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                      • RapidTransit
                        E-Body Man
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 400

                        #56
                        US Patents don't apply in the UK Thats why AGD Europe Division is still selling E's and X Mags
                        Gun: AGD eMag with LvL10
                        Cars: 1991 Lexus LS400. 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda 440-4, Auto, 1 of 816. 1970 Dodge Challenger 318 S/E, soon to be a 440-6 with a 5 speed, and painted Sublime green

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                        • TeamNausea
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 1111

                          #57
                          ^ahhh Shut Up

                          Manike-It's still early days. One thing for sure is that the future is going to be interesting, and we intend to be a BIG part of it.

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                          • teufelhunden
                            Registered Bamf
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 2691

                            #58
                            Originally posted by vonort
                            You can stay in denial land all you want. What I know is if you color and apple orange its still an apple. If you wrap extortion into a "licensing agreement" its still EXTORTION.

                            Right. Extortion is me holding a gun to your head saying I'm gonna paint the walls with your brain if you don't sign. This is not that.
                            SwallowBleach: It's good for you.

                            www.seckspb.com: for all your third party needs


                            Where have all the scooters gone? -BobTheCow

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                            • Brophog
                              Registered User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 346

                              #59
                              No, that's only one interpretation of the word. SP could be extorting, but we do not have enough evidence to prove it either way.

                              Extortion:


                              The act or an instance of extorting.
                              Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage.
                              An excessive or exorbitant charge.
                              Something extorted.

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                              • ronin
                                wow im a back player?
                                • May 2004
                                • 25

                                #60
                                well its going main stream w /companys like k2 getting in the picture sp is trying to protect its investments ***** and complain all you want but hay thats how the business world works. it may suck for a little while but this will spur "innovation" other techo-geeks will find new ways of doing the same stuff and the industry will grow because of it look at the deadlywind.

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