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[xXHavokXx]

I think historical scenarios are still a little sketchy. Alot of people died on D-Day, making a game out of it really doesn't grasp the sacrifice made by alot of young men that day. A while back I was showing my friends grandfather pics from a scenario, he said it seemed like a decent idea as long as there is a point where they honor the people that were there and for whom that wasn't a game. He got really bothered though when he saw people dressed as Nazi's and SS soldiers like it was cool to dress up. He said the german flag would suffice, no reason to wear swastika's and the emblems of the SS. Personally I' dont feel as deeply as he does but hey I wasn't there. I'd be more into bladerunner, shadow run, or other non realistic scenes, but that's just me.


Whoever made the 9/11 scenario needs to be shot, not with a marker but a 45. That's just not cool. We might as well recreate the bhutan death march, the mai lai massacre, aushwitz, and the attack at pearl harbor. Hell we can really keep it real and put people in cars and have random people with PT extremes come and blast em in the face like the son of sam.

[SlartyBartFast]

I can see a generic terroist V. whatever but not something as specific as WTC.

Why not? And how on earth does a scenario paintball game give any perspective of massive loss of life or the horrors of war?

The 'innocent civilian' crap doesn't work to change your hypocricy either.

Millions of 'innocent civilians' were killed during wars. A little detail that the 'educational' scenario games don't cover.

[Muzikman]

I think war based scenarios are ok, they are not as tragic as what happend on September 11, 2001. Death is apart of war, people understand this and I think most accept it, including the troops. No rational person expects to go to war, or any other military conflict and not have deaths. In the case of September 11, these were innocent civillians who died. This should be thought of a tradgety rather than a military conflict.

If you want to hold an Iraq war, Vietnam war, WWII, WWI, Civil war, etc... scenario, in my mind that is fine, as long as it is done in good taste. To base a game on an event that caused civilian deaths is just wrong. This would be like a WWII scenario where you have to free the Jewish from concentration camps...to me, this is in bad taste.

Ya know...anyone that thinks that Sept 11 Scenario game was a good idea should be shipped off to a desert in the middle east, they can go join their kind.

[XbeasleyX]

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Go ahead and call me insensitive but (almost) everyone in this thread need to quit whining. I mean yeah 3,000+ people died that day, but come on MILLIONS died in WW1 and WW2 and nobody (I've heard) gripes about those games. They have the RIGHT to do whatever they want.

[GT]

Why not? And how on earth does a scenario paintball game give any perspective of massive loss of life or the horrors of war?

The 'innocent civilian' crap doesn't work to change your hypocricy either.

Millions of 'innocent civilians' were killed during wars. A little detail that the 'educational' scenario games don't cover.

so playing the war video games and watching the PBS special is any better? how about history books, magzines, and case studies? Get real SBF most lit. is full of half truths and single sided stories. Most Scenario games do offer SOME (try and read that correctly) historical perspective. Do they accuratly portray the death and mayhem? No, I find it moronic to go on an E-tirad about something that attempts to inject some form of eduaction into today's youth. Does it tell the story? do they lack depth? Yes, but they also plant a seed.... the seed of sacirfice of past generations

Sorry to be callous, but apart from the firefighters and police killed the 3000 on 9/11 were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

uhhh, WTF?
Atleast you could see conflict coming, I dont think anyone saw the planes headed through thier office window.

[Muzikman]

Go ahead and call me insensitive but (almost) everyone in this thread need to quit whining. I mean yeah 3,000+ people died that day, but come on MILLIONS died in WW1 and WW2 and nobody (I've heard) gripes about those games. They have the RIGHT to do whatever they want.

WOW...

Ya know what, I say we have a scenario game based on Ruby Ridge, Waco, The Oaklahoma City bombing, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I mean why not? They were only people dying.

[warbeak2099]

I think you guys are missing the point of historic scenarios. It's for fun. It's for people who have an interest in history and those who might not to be able to almost go back and take part in it. It's like playing in your backyard as a kid. Some kids would be the Germans and some would be the Allies. One group would be the Union and one would be the Confederates. We are just playing, that's all. We are not being sacreligious to those who gave their lives for us. We're taking that life they gave us and having fun with it. We are celebrating them. Bottomline, because of the men and women who have served our country, we are able to do these things in rememberance. They didn't die for us so we could stay at home all day and try not to offend anyone. They died so we could do whatever we want and enjoy ourselves. If we live our whole lives worrying about everything, those people will have died in vain. So cut the crap. If we want to play historic scenario games then by God, we're gonna do it and we're gonna have fun doing it. And by doing it we'll neveer forget that it actually happened. Because that would be the biggest travesty of all, forgetting...

[SlartyBartFast]

WOW...

Ya know what, I say we have a scenario game based on Ruby Ridge, Waco, The Oaklahoma City bombing, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I mean why not? They were only people dying.

I know you're being sarcastic, but if you can't see anything wrong with one type of scenario game there's no reason to be against any other type.

If you can play and make fun of the storming of the beaches, you can play and make fun with the ATF storming the compound at Waco.

The only thing I'd say sets any of these apart from war scenario games is that I find it difficult to see where the story line is interesting enough to try and squeeze a paintball battle into it.

My own personal hypocricy on this subject probably extends into computer games. Somehow I see computer games as a far more accurate simulation of warfare and the technology used. That, and most of what I played and enjoyed didn't entail trying to have the Germans win or the whole war, but focused more on an aspect of the war and not events in the war. Whether it be the air battle, sub hunting, or being sub commander.

But everyone has a different line they draw. I won't play scenario paintball at all, others don't like 9/11 based themes. But if there are those that will play ... Oh, well.

[SlartyBartFast]

And by doing it we'll neveer forget that it actually happened. Because that would be the biggest travesty of all, forgetting...

When you start asking paintballers about D-Day, and they think about play acting, flinging paint, and the awesome weekend they had...

Well, I think you HAVE partly forgotten.

[Meph]

There's no doubt that there's a big chunk of people who will have no problem attending these types of games. Be it based on 9/11, based on Iraq, based on D-Day, what have you. However why do games HAVE to be based on real events? You can have the "fantasy" without the actual event, and without wookies and pikachu!

Make up a story based in Chile or the Congo or Poland or what have you, doesn't matter. Create a fake story on a civil war, an invasion, what have you. It isn't like it's mandatory for events to use an actual event from history.

With D-Day compared to this specifically there is a difference. One happened decades ago, the other we're still in war with because of it. D-Day games I always see it paintballers on the promo-ads, this they used the actual Twin Towers burning image.

Now I'm not sure if that's true about "teaching kids about loss of life" I mean personally I've never met a kid that was in shock and awe of how the D-Day invasion was and then related that to history. Most were more worried about cleaning their gear and refilling their hoppers to reinsert ASAP. However I have seen kids making light of the events, wearing nazi-armbands and walking around talkin like Dave Chappelle "I'm a Nazi, [bleep]!" Reasons like that are why I don't even play in these games period. I can somewhat understand the D-Day games but I won't participate in them myself.

Which is what this all boils down to. Debate about what is the line, if there even is a line? Can these go too far, or is anything in bounds? If these events are just making a mockery of the tragic battles from our worlds history. Or here to teach our kids with personal 'hands-on' experience that civil-war type reinactments just can't teach to them.

[FooTemps]

Dude... to all that are arguing...

How the hell would you play a 9/11 scenario?

One team is civilians one team is terrorists?
Simulation:
"I am a terrorist and have "terminator" or "vampire" status"
"oh no I am civilian, shoot him! oh wait, i'm not supposed to have a gun! RUNAWAY!"

One team is firefighters one team is building debris and there is a group of civilian targest to score points
Simulation:
"I am firefighter!"
"oh nos a firefighter! Shoot him!"
"omgwtf some drywall is shooting paintballs at me!"

See what I mean? You actually CAN'T play a paintball scenario around the 9/11 event... Just like how you can play a scenario around hiroshima or nagasaki or oklahoma city bombing.
The scenario would basically be "omg we're attacked we're screwed the end"

[SlartyBartFast]

Dude... to all that are arguing...

How the hell would you play a 9/11 scenario?

How do you play D-Day?

Allied: A quarter of you must die, then you will WIN!
German: Put up a fight but make sure you lose.

Vietnam: Variations on the American retreat.

Korea: Guaranteed stalemate.

TO make it fun, you need fantasy. For the fanatasy, you need NONE of the reality. Red vs. Blue.

How about Pasty White Guys against Yuckistan?

[canemaster]

Go ahead and call me insensitive but (almost) everyone in this thread need to quit whining. I mean yeah 3,000+ people died that day, but come on MILLIONS died in WW1 and WW2 and nobody (I've heard) gripes about those games. They have the RIGHT to do whatever they want.

Agreed

[mkmckinley]

um, it's a free country. People should be able to participate if they want.

[personman]

Stop comparing WW2 to 9/11.
They are two entirely different events.
One was a war, one was an act of terrorism.
In one scenario, both forces were armed.
In the next, only one side was armed, and the other side was ruthessly slaughtered with no protection at all.
Kids have, and probably always will play war games. Cowboys and Indians, D-Day reinactments, or whatever. They shouldnt play 'lets go get in airplanes and crash into skyscraper' reinactments.