Mags In Tourneys

[DaFranchise1987]

OKay here it is i love mags and i here so much great news bout them ad i here how a properly upped RT can shoot wit da best speedball guns, my teamate the other day asked why r mags so good or there claimed to be so good but rarely r they seen in tourneys or used by proteams basically i said hmmmm why r cockers used rarely in scenarios so he and me was backed into cornors im the magger and hes the cocker fan can someone please EXPLAIN!!!??????? thanks

[Flow_Tech]

well.the reason there not used on the pro level is that Tom Kaye is not willing to just hand out 1300$ markers to a bunch of kids who dont know a thing about them and say"have at it",hes more scenario now anyways..personally,i think that when the hAir is out,mags will rule again..and as far as mags being used in tourneys,there excellent markers..you just have to figure out a proper tank PSI so you dont get too much bouce.

[gibby]

Simple...it's just not the "IN" thing anymore.

[Jaremy Rykker]

The Answer is Hype

OKay here it is i love mags and i here so much great news bout them ad i here how a properly upped RT can shoot wit da best speedball guns, my teamate the other day asked why r mags so good or there claimed to be so good but rarely r they seen in tourneys or used by proteams basically i said hmmmm why r cockers used rarely in scenarios so he and me was backed into cornors im the magger and hes the cocker fan can someone please EXPLAIN!!!??????? thanks

The reason Electronic Mags are rarely used for tournament play is because the only two that can perform with an E-Bladed Cocker are the E-Mag and the X-Mag. While innovative and original designs, both the E-Mag and X-Mag have proven to be somewhat heavy and bulky, which has hampered their use in tournament play. Therefore, although some tournament players will use an E-Mag or X-Mag for their reliability in tournament play, they are not necessarily the most common of guns, both because they are no longer produced, and there were lighter alternatives such as Cockers.

Next, the other tournament grade Mag is the RT-ULE which is a newer innovation. It, unlike the E-Mag, is light as hell, and completely mechanical. The X-Valve which it comes with is much more competent than any regulator or valve for a Cocker, and will outperform a Cocker. Unfortunately, there are several reasons why the RT-ULE has not been picked up by many tournament teams. An RT is a mechanical gun, and even with the ULE Trigger Pull Kit, remains having a trigger pull of 1.5 pounds. Compared to the ounces found in electronic triggers, this is simply unacceptable as it limits your rate of fire from nearly twenty BPS to a more leisurely fourteen-fifteen BPS with a well-trained shooter. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Pros seem to have a thing for fast shooting guns. It has also been found impossible to use ramping, bouncing, turbo, or any other form of cheating on a mechanical gun because it doesn't work, and the trigger response is easily disabled.

Shortly, an upgrade should come out that should change this, with the exception of the notorious anti-mag hype. The new hair trigger promises the rate of fire that the high-end electro-pneumatics the pros use are capable of, while at the same time retaining the reliability of a mechanical and simple design. The Hair Trigger is capable of changing the tournament world, and bringing true mechanical semi-automatics back into common play, but it will need to overcome a stifling amount of hype.

[jtm560]

me and some of my friends r gonna be a 3man mag team
me

jtm560
emag
lx
2 peice j&j ss
114 4500psi
evo 2

dj89
xmag
ace
wapr feed
halo
freak kit
crossfire stuppy 70 4500

atm743
emag
ule body
ule rail
lx
freak kit
crossfire stuppy 70 4500

we will be doin some touneys

[jayloo]

I have played on over a dozen tourneys with my warp fed emag. I love it and it has never let me down.

[firebanex]

I will be using my mag in the MSTS event 3 next weekend cause it works! every other gun at the field generaly goes down at least once a day. its a classic and i'm only playing 3man novice with my 2 team mate using uped 2k3 2k4 cockers but still mech. with the warp it is almost too tight for me even tho i play front/mid most of the time.

[magman#1]

i played in a tourney today on a team with 2 mech mags, 1 mech cocker, a 2k1 lcd, and a 2k2 timmy. all the other teams were shooting shockers/timmy/trix's and we only lost 1 game. people are just more confident if they can unload a hopper in 10 seconds for some reason, but it's not that much of an advantage in reality.

[Enemy]

its cuz the dye crowd follows hype and mags arent hyped at all...also an xmag is very light i mean it is shockingly light and if i can get the harness to use that big old batt pack to run the reloader then it promises to be just as light if not lighter than anyother electro using a halo!!!

[teufelhunden]

Because 'Mags aren't efficient enough, so you need to carry a bigger tank, and 'Mags aren't fast enough.

Sums it up real nice.

[RoadDawg]

Because 'Mags aren't efficient enough, so you need to carry a bigger tank, and 'Mags aren't fast enough.

Sums it up real nice.

I'll agree that it isn't the most efficent but it's definatly more efficent then a 03 shocker on the same size tank. For example I've talked to a couple players on a store's team that use 03 shockers with the evolve bolt (think that's what it's called) and they said they get maybe 700 on a 45/45. While on my ULE Emag (pic in sig) w/ nothing special done to it gets pretty close to 900 before it slows down and is out at 930ish. It might be the adjustable tank, but when I owned a 48/3k on my Retro Micromag it got 600ish before it stopped.

[Creative Mayhem]

An RT is a mechanical gun, and even with the ULE Trigger Pull Kit, remains having a trigger pull of 1.5 pounds.

Actually your numbers are incorrect. The ULT take the stock 6lb trigger pul ans reduces it to a mere 13oz trigger pull. With the upcoming advent of the hAir trigger that will be reduced even more to a staggaring 2oz for a mech trigger. So, as for why mags arent still in tournies? Theres no real explanation other than what Gibby has said.. its just not the "in" thing. That will most definately change when the hAir comes out.

[teufelhunden]

Stock pull is 3lbs, not 6.

Evolve with a 45.45 will get wayyyy more than 700. It'll do that without the Evolve, as my teammate has an 03 with a 45.45 and shoots 3 pods and a hopper per fill. As for 600 on a 48/3k, at what velocity? That's above average efficiency for any gun, let alone a 'Mag..

[AGDlover]

I'm gonna start doing some major turnys and right now my mag is getting sent out to get tuned to its finest. But since i will hopefully will be doing Chi open i will be running an e-mag(joez e-mag he's letting me barrow for chi open in august. but after the hAIR trigger comes out mags will be at the top again. and there will be no limit on the damage we will put on mag haters everywhere

[RoadDawg]

Stock pull is 3lbs, not 6.

Evolve with a 45.45 will get wayyyy more than 700. It'll do that without the Evolve, as my teammate has an 03 with a 45.45 and shoots 3 pods and a hopper per fill. As for 600 on a 48/3k, at what velocity? That's above average efficiency for any gun, let alone a 'Mag..

It was an indoor field and the velocity was 250. This was pre LX days. Well the 03 you metioned shoots 620 shots. I get that on a bad day with my Emag (lots of dry fires). If the 03 shocker is a "tourny gun" with that kind of efficency then mags shouldn't have a problem. If the evolve gets more shots out of the tank then that's great. I have no idea how much it improves but according to the guy it wasn't much. Real #'s would be great though as I've actually tossed around the idea for one of these as I'd like to experience something else.