PPS Blazer videos

[Muzikman]

JW, but ive never shot or even seen a blazer before and was wondering if they are any good or not.

Blazers are pretty amazing guns. They are basically a lighter, smaller, cocker. They work on the same idea, but have all internal LP hoses, and the bolt works more like a half block (but the blazer was out a lot longer than the half block). The downside is the lack of upgrades. Once you buy the gun, that's about it. No new fancy rams, 4ways or regs to pretty up the gun.

[bokraham]

I like how the guy in the third video tries to do it with his ring finger, but gives up

[Jack & Coke]

Since we're on the topic of ROF:

JC: Have you ever done any testing with a straight electro marker to see how much the lightness of the trigger effects ROF vs any potential "extras" that electronic markers tend to add on.

Specifically, taking an electro of your choice, one that is comfortable to you, and eliminating any circuit based aids, including any potential electronic or mechanical bounce and firing the marker to evaluate the effect of the light trigger.

I'd be very interested in those types of results. This would have to be done by someone fairly impartial, and honest enough with himself to give us light on the effects of "aids" versus the effect of a light trigger.

Yep, my DM3 has a stock board with no "extras". With the original stiff trigger spring, my ROF sucked and I could not walk the trigger. After I changed to a softer spring and shortened the trigger travel, I was able to walk the trigger and rip the gun 15+ bps effortlessly.

I did this same thing to my original 2k1 GZ timmy when I first got it... pre-WAS board.

I'm surprised you didn't know that a softer, lighter trigger with shorter travel (compared to stock) = faster ROF.

"Special" boards with "aids", like you say, are apparently in vogue, and I really dislike the direction they're leading our industry into.

In any case, I hoped you enjoyed the video clips. Glenn says he's gonna try to make a better quality recording next time (high end DV video camera instead of a digital still camera) to really show off the Blazer!

Cheers!

[68magOwner]

...just dosent sound like 15bps to me...meh, what do i know

[Brophog]

I'm surprised you didn't know that a softer, lighter trigger with shorter travel (compared to stock) = faster ROF.

Oh no, I'm not questioning that.

I was just questioning the continued speed increases in terms of electros. When they first came out, they really only touted the lighter trigger, which of course is going to give you a much faster fire rate than a heavy trigger.

But they've increased speed dramatically. Sure, stuff like magnetics and improved electronic delay has helped this. However, I was curious to see just how much of the speed is indeed the trigger weight/length and just how much is "aided".

[Jack & Coke]

Oh no, I'm not questioning that.

I was just questioning the continued speed increases in terms of electros. When they first came out, they really only touted the lighter trigger, which of course is going to give you a much faster fire rate than a heavy trigger.

But they've increased speed dramatically. Sure, stuff like magnetics and improved electronic delay has helped this. However, I was curious to see just how much of the speed is indeed the trigger weight/length and just how much is "aided".

You have to remember, in the early days of electros, they had to cripple the boards. They had to slow down the programming on these guns because they would turn into blenders. Not only that but there was some "unofficial" industry agreement to limit ROF on electros to like 11 or 13 bps.

Then came along the A.C.E.

This changed everything. It allowed ROF caps to be raised without fear of chopping, and optimum coding for time delays (noid operations) to be maximized.

The Timmy was one of the first guns to successfully integrate fast boards (remember the old SOB) with an A.C.E..

If you don't count the Shocker Turbo 4x4 as a cheater board, then the cheater boards as we know them today, didn't come along until these last couple of years. What the first gen WAS boards brought to the game was the ability to exploit trigger noise on cheapo plastic micro switches (debounce 1).

My guess is "legit" setups will allow you to get up to 13-16 bps.

Once you start getting into 17-20 bps range, you're probably benefiting from "aids" like debounce 1, shot buffering, shot queueing, speed ramping, etc. Remember, if you can walk your trigger 20 bps, then each finger is moving 10 times per second... which is pretty hard to believe.

[Brophog]

Sure, I understand all of that, I just didn't include it in the caveat with boards and magnetics and such......the point wasn't too list EVERYTHING!

But, your guess is about what my guess would be. I was just looking into if anyone could actually prove it! I figured, since you own quite a few markers, electro and high end mechanical, that you'd be the one to ask.

[Muzikman]

Without a cheating board, the speed of an electro would be up to how fast someone could move the trigger. This would change from person to person. So, the question is not how fast can the board shoot, but how fast can one move their fingers.

[Brophog]

Right, which is why we're guessing in the 15 range.

There is still a relative top speed, given that, the only thing aiding us is the short and light trigger.