My field just got a new self fill system...

[SlartyBartFast]

lol.. Not according to the guy.. And I know he knows what he's talking about..

My god.

Digits, the guy that you hold in such high regard is about as smart as a bag or doorknobs.

There isn't even an 1/8 th to a 1/4 of an inch thickness in a tank wall. Measure 68 cubic inches of water and compare it to a 68 ci tank. Show the two to the mindless numbnut and have him try and re-explain his stupidity to you. Then maybe you can become alpha dweeb and he'll worship you for your mental ability.

Doesn't matter what course the twit took, but if he got a certification from it, well it's prrof positive that there's a lot of people out there that just shouldn't be allowed to breed.

I`m getting my information straight from the manufacturers of paintball tanks. You think your friend is somehow endowed with greater knowledge than the people that actually design and build these things?

[SlartyBartFast]

doesnt look like a paintball tank to me.. But either way the guys lucky he wasnt back there with it.

It's not a paintball tank. That picture alone however proves that your concept of tanks is hopelessly wrong. There's clearly more than a tiny tube in the middle.

There are pictures in other threads on AO about tank safety that have pictures of blown composite tanks.

[cockermongol]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what a burst disk is for? (to prevent the tank from just "exploding")

[SlartyBartFast]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what a burst disk is for? (to prevent the tank from just "exploding")

Well, it a safety feature that will prevent the tank from being over pressurised. This will make sure that the tank won't explode IF the tank is in good condition and hasn't been weakened in any way by misuse or overheating, or repeated overpressuriseation, etc.

[peewee]

There used to be pictures of a 68 /3000 cut in half somewhere on the net also showed one that had been shot etc. The walls were thicker than I would have thought. Thought they had it at warpig not sure. I beleve apg also had picts back in the mid 90's showing what could happen when a tank blew. I know the main place that I get my fills the owner had to go thru classes etc & get certified before he could even buy a system to perform HPA fills. He doesnt flash fill, but I am not sure that they take the 9 min. Probably about 5 to 7 min.

[ilikePB]

umm, i do not think that tanks really shatter, more like BANG, my aunts pool filter, which is like a really big fiber tank, blew the hell up acouple summers ago, and it woke us up, it got sand into the pol, which was about 15 feet away from the filter, the thing blew apart, it didnt shatter.

Ok, I work in pool construction and set up systems sometimes. Pool filters are not like big fiber tanks. All they are is plastic type cylinder that holds a big filter that the water gos through. The filter should not have more than 30psi going through it, normal is generally 10psi. If the pressure goes up it means the filter should be cleaned. It wouldn't take a whole lot of pressure to burst a filter but that sounds real funky. The plastic should crack before it explodes, that is really wierd, I have never heard of anything like that and there are a lot of pools down here in Florida. So, I'm just saying that is a super freak 1 in a trillion type thing to happen, unless the company that did that system uses some funky equipment.

[RoboBeaver]

i was just saying, she had a really really old pump, it doesnt have much pressure like 10-20 psi, i checked the guage acouple times, but her old one blew up,and we cracked it apart, it was half full of sand and this other stuff at the very bottom, and when it blew it was at night, it woke us up, its not as high pressure as a pb tank though, but it still blew up.

this pool is old, like really old, and the filter was the original, but it was a really big fiber wrapped tank, with a hose going in the top and out the bottom. now she has the plastic kind you described

i was just comparing to say that something with 4500 pressure in it would probably go alot more than "bang" if something that has 15 psi in it cracks with a thunderous bang

[Setzer]

Regs on CO2 tanks, the threads are like half an inch long.. A person probably wouldn't notice if this type of thing is unscrewing.. But a reg on an HPA tank, the threads are like 2 inches long..

I'd just like to mention that CO2 tanks are only holding around 850psi when they are filled, while HPA is 3000 or 4500 (for paintball anyway).

Also, just because there are saftey features on a tank (burst discs, hydro testing, ect) does not mean that the tank is immune to catastrophic failure. That is kinda why its called catastrophic failure. Also, those things work best if the rest of your tank is in perfect working order. Flash filling wears out your tank a lot faster, and makes it more prone to this sort of thing. Also, flash filling gives crappy fills.

[Josh2Xtremes]

I can end this...

This won't take long. This whole thread boils down to 1 thing. If it says "Kalibur" or "Bauer" on your fill station, it's safe. Plain and simple.
Josh

[CodeMA]

And there ya go....


On a side note, the scuba shop thing, ya, ouch.... Having a suba tank presently, I can say they just dont seem quite as safe as our little carbon fiber bombs

Oh, and I recommend checking your tank before and after every day if your worried about it, check for gougeing or scorch marks, etc...


The worst thing Ive seen happen is burst disks go bye bye with Push button systems, and the occational oring in the QD freak out, or a tank pop off... Kaliber systems seem quite safe I gotta say... I trust myself with my tank filling then I do most people...and generally Ill watch them fill a tank before I hand mine over, and add some words of advice before doing so... Ive still gotten tanks back overfilled(3k to 4.5k, and flash filled at that, gotta say it amazes me)

Anyway, I gotta say, I havnt heard of any damage actually happening, and Im pretty sure they were rather heavily tested, namely to be allowed to be used at feilds with todays rather strict inshurance policies(Example: Tried out a feild, I wasnt supposed to be on the same side of the wall were tank was being filled, Went back to same feild a few weeks later, push button system...) So, that says something right there...

[50 cal]

Those self fill stations are an accident waiting to happen. When someone finally does get hurt, the owner of the fill station better get ready to bend over the barrel, cause he's gonna get reamed.

[ilikePB]

i was just comparing to say that something with 4500 pressure in it would probably go alot more than "bang" if something that has 15 psi in it cracks with a thunderous bang

Very true.

[lew]

Here's a cutaway tank for you guys: http://www.moodypaintball.com/pages/tech/goodies.htm

It's all the way at the bottom.

[CodeMA]

for those that dont wanna scroll to the bottem and wait for things to load...

seems thick enough to me...

[TDonovan]

Well since many people only have access to push button setups, what is the best way to fill a tank with them? I'd like to know what precautions I can take or methods I can use to keep my tank completely safe with the pushbutton fills.