what is the history behind everyone's hate of Smart Parts???

[FragTek]

PVI developed the Shocker FOR Smart Parts, and then Smart Parts said screw you PVI, bought the patent, and turned it to garbage.

I think the Shocker was before the Angel, no matter, the Shocker was the first true closed bolt electro hehe.

I got my hands on a nice PVI... It's dope, i love it to death: http://www.fragtek.com/pix/pvishocker.jpg

[vonort]

The US Navy did it first back in the '70s.

And I agree with FragTek. Most of my dislike of SP is from them making crap!! And since they can't build a decent product for a decent price they decide to sue the competition. So the competition has to raise thier price to pay off the "legal" black mail. It's BS.

[Irelandunfree]

What thread is that??

Found it, the thread wasnt on AO it was on....Pbnation

http://hometown.aol.com/baboonplatoon/page1.html

[tony3]

My hate of Smart Parts begins with the low quality products of theirs that I've owned... Impulses? Cheap garbage. Post PVI Shockers? Cheap Garbage.

So you are telling me a pvi shocker is better then a 02 shocker? Can you give me some reasons the pvi is better?

[FragTek]

So you are telling me a pvi shocker is better then a 02 shocker? Can you give me some reasons the pvi is better?

When Smart Parts decided to manufacture the Shocker and all of the parts for it themselves everything internally changed.... We went from quality controlled well developed internals to "Smart Parts Internals" ie. garbage.

If you go and read the reviews on the early SP Shockers at say pbreview you will notice people stating that the quality of the internals went way way down. Which I don't doubt for a second, SP will cut as many corners as they possibly can to minimize production cost just to raise the retail price... maggots!

[Head knight of Ni]

Yes. And it has been widely known that SP uses the lowest grade aluminum they can get away with. Some people say its so bad it can't be threaded.

[NoLifeLeft]

Has anyone else heard that a really high percentage of all of the new Nerves don't work out of the box? I talked to one dealer that had received 4 and 2 didn't work.

[xXHavokXx]

Has anyone else heard that a really high percentage of all of the new Nerves don't work out of the box? I talked to one dealer that had received 4 and 2 didn't work.

which is why we didnt order any.

[FragTek]

Has anyone else heard that a really high percentage of all of the new Nerves don't work out of the box? I talked to one dealer that had received 4 and 2 didn't work.

When I still had my store "FragTek Paintball Supply" the 2 first batch '03 Shockers we got both didnt work, neither one of them would turn on due to faulty electronics... I believe they were #72 and #86, one blue and one black.

I was in such disbelief that 2 brand new guns didn't work out of the box that I had to tear them apart to see if I could fix the problem myself, we ended up getting one to work, I can't remember how, but it still didnt turn on every time. The other, still in pieces, I was so annoyed I took a picture of me flipping it off and posted it all over PBN with a thread pointing out my disgust for Smart Parts. To make a long story short, our SP rep. got forwarded one of those links, called me up, and told me our dealer account with Smart Parts had been closed. :rofl: dumb bastards!!! Make a product that works the first time, and for a long time, and you won't have your dealers turning on you!!!!!!

[matt-o]

everyone hates sp because they make low quality products, patent things they didnt invent(!), and send out faulty products, sometimes not to be under warranty later, plus they were responsible for many price increases in other manufacturers guns due to lawsuits, not to mention the loss of great guns like the viking, excalibur and our beloved e/xmags, though the e/xmags werent in demand much anymore, which i admit was also a factor. plus i bet their are lots of great gun designs that cant be made because of the fact that they would have to be electronic, the matrix got lucky in its release timing and now we have the dm4 to show, how many good designs like that have been squashed can only be guessed.

also fragtek, do you have a link to that vid you were talking about, i think we would all like to see it