Kingman Lies!

[MonsterMag]

give me that bolt and a imagine , i could make it chop

put a g hopper on there and start walkin the tirgg :rofl:

[FutureMagOwner]

boston paintball 3 or more years ago was working on producings custom cockers, which had reactive triggers, i dont remember anything about anti chop bolts or anything like that with them though, in fact i think the lack of them is why they never sold well (that and boston charges an arm and a leg for everything, and this gun costed a couple extra fingers and toes as well)

[slade]

boston paintball 3 or more years ago was working on producings custom cockers, which had reactive triggers, i dont remember anything about anti chop bolts or anything like that with them though, in fact i think the lack of them is why they never sold well (that and boston charges an arm and a leg for everything, and this gun costed a couple extra fingers and toes as well)

lol yeah, i play speedball there. they're getting a bit better, they used to charge $80 a case for big ball, (fpo of course). how come i never heard about them producing reactive/hAir-like pneumatic frames before though? ive talked to the refs/owners/customers quite a bit, (well, ive been going there for 1.5 years) and never heard of this. i didnt know they did any design or custom work, id be glad to hear more about this.

[magmanl337]

Does anyone even know how this bolt works? I think it is rather ingenius myself.

[ScatterPlot]

Does anyone even know how this bolt works? I think it is rather ingenius myself.

Kinda funny that I never thought about how it does it myself, if I interpret it right. It looks like a normal bolt that's .68 shorter than regular, with a spring part on the front that, if there's no chopping situation, will push the ball foreward and fire like normal, but if it could chop, that the spring would compress, making the inner bolt part move like normal but the outer stay where it goes when the gun is not in a firing phase. But yeah, ingenious, not having seen any of the other forrunners to this it seems like a "Duh Bert, why didn't you think of that?" type thing. Of course there could be an issue with blowing the rest of the balls up the stack, leading to more potential chops, but I guess that's an R&D issue. Maybe they put in springs that were too stiff, that would lead to a chop. But if the front of the bolt stayed still then how there could ever be CHOPS is beyond me. Barrel breaks maybe, but chops no way. I dunno, that's only a guess.

[magmanl337]

Kinda funny that I never thought about how it does it myself, if I interpret it right. It looks like a normal bolt that's .68 shorter than regular, with a spring part on the front that, if there's no chopping situation, will push the ball foreward and fire like normal, but if it could chop, that the spring would compress, making the inner bolt part move like normal but the outer stay where it goes when the gun is not in a firing phase. But yeah, ingenious, not having seen any of the other forrunners to this it seems like a "Duh Bert, why didn't you think of that?" type thing. Of course there could be an issue with blowing the rest of the balls up the stack, leading to more potential chops, but I guess that's an R&D issue. Maybe they put in springs that were too stiff, that would lead to a chop. But if the front of the bolt stayed still then how there could ever be CHOPS is beyond me. Barrel breaks maybe, but chops no way. I dunno, that's only a guess.

Yep, you've nailed it. When a standard spyder bolt moves forward, there is a hole one quarter of the way from the tip to the back, that leads down to the valve. The Anti chop bolt has the same hole, but if the bolt is not there to catch the air, and put it behind the ball, the air i think i jsut pushed thru straight up, but blocked the by bolt. THis will prevent chops. I hope that this kind of technology is used in other kinds of mechanicle guns. Maybe in use with guns with eyes? Two ways to stop a chop is beter than jsut one

[bryceeden]

I was taliking with a Kingman rep last week and he was hyping the new anti-chop bolt. I told him that the L10 does the same thing and has been out for awhile. Even told him I could put my finger in the breach and have zero worrries...he did not believe me so I went to my car, got my mag and showed him. Needless to say he was not hyping it as much after that.

Actually the Kingman ACS bolts work great. You can put your finger in the breach have zero worrys, I wouldn't use my tonge though.

[Mosfet]

Looks like a JAM bolt to me.
As for advertising, I usually don't give a crap about advertising, political drama, and crap like that when choosing hardware. I try to stick to just evaluating the hardware itself and its performance.

and in any case, its got to be better than using a stock solid bolt.
Probably much better if you can also lower the operating pressure on the spyder its in.

Theres probably quite a few mods you can do to improve its performance. But thats the beauty of a spyder. Its cheap... you won't worry as much about breaking out the Dremel!

[trevorjk]

actually from my understanding on how the bolt works... and from talking to the guys over at the ccm booth at shatnerball.

this bolt doesnt prevent chops... it only keeps the bolt open longer for a ball to drop in. what happens is the striker slams forward taking the bolt with it. BUT the part it takes with it is the back part of the bolt before the spring, what happens is the spring collapses then the tension takes over and slams the bolt forward.

at least from my understanding and from talking to a few people about it, this is what i get out of it. so theoretically it will still chop granted your hopper isnt fast enough

[slade]

trevor, it IS made to prevent chops. thats why they call it an anti chop bolt. and bertmcmahan, from looking at pictures ive seen ive figured out how it works. when a ball is halfway in the breach, the hammer and internals of the bolt move forward, but the external part of the bolt doesnt; it stops on the ball. the internal part of the bolt blocks off the hole which lets air into the bolt, so when the hammer hits the cup seal, air is let out but it does not get into the bolt (and therefore there is no blowback or air escaping at all) then the air recocks the gun, and the ball falls into the breach, undamaged. (at least in theory, i dont know how well this bolt actually works.)

[ScatterPlot]

Oic

[02vertcocker]

Yeah, it's kingmans version of a jam bolt. Interesting how jam has patent and patent pendings on their items . . .

Anyway, the jam cocker bolts are some of the best in the world. Go jam.

[Got_Paint]

First off, the JAM Bolt isn't even the very first ones to use the concept that they claim to be their 'patented' technology. Boston Paintball was the first ones. Patented, shmatented!!!

Doesn't anybody remember that BP Cocker that incorporated the same technology that Tippmann has used on their reactive triggers?

I know Boston did theirs early, but what about the Air Power Vector?

I know it's not really the bolt, but more the gun's operating system.

[TheTramp]

For those posting about how the bolt works: http://www.apbbolts.com/How%20it%20works.htm

This is the page from the JAM website that explaines.

I've used JAM bolts in a Spyder, a Dragun with The One kit and a Timmy.

It does stop chops. I don't know if I'd trust it on a Timmy with a VL200 and the eyes off but it's still a nice little extra protection.

As this Kingman bolt is a direct ripoff (or at least licensed copy giving Kingman the benifit of the doubt) of the JAM bolt then it should make a good contrabution to their gun line.