Ripped Off on eBay!

[Almeister]

I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to post this, my apologies if it isn't.....Fellow AO'ers three weeks ago I won an auction on ebay for a Nightkast Autococker. I paid the seller within 2 days of the auction ending just like the seller asked and when I didn't get a tracking # from the seller 5 days after paying I contacted him and he told me he had to wait for his distributor to send it to him and then he would send it to me, after he had told me he had it in stock. So I waited a few days and then one of the other winners (it was a dutch auction) e-mailed me asking if I had heard from the seller because they had filed a claim with Paypal since the seller wasn't responding to any of their e-mails and they were also able to get their money back. After that the seller wouldn't respond to any of my e-mails or telephone calls. I ended up filing a claim against the seller with paypal and today I was notified that they were unable to recover my money. So now I don't have a marker or my money. Does anyone know of any other ways I can go after this deadbeat besides small claims? If I sue him in small claims I would have to fly all the way to New York from California to do it and I don't think it would be worth the hassle. I WANT TO MAKE THIS DEADBEAT SELLER PAY! Any and all suggestions are welcome.

[FragTek]

There are "ways" to take care of people like this

Give us some details if possible. Name, phone number, an address that you might have somwhere.

The AO community is far reaching and i'm sure someone here probably lives within a few block of him, w00t! Beat downs are always top notch.

Sorry to hear u got ripped off.

[Crighton]

Did you deposit funds into paypal using a Credit Card? If so contact your card company.

[djmrk]

Yes, give name and address. Usually, paypal will back charge to persons account while they investgate. If he did not send the item, paypal should give your money back. Contact ebay, they have a very good fraud department, they will help. Chances are, ebay has the sellers bank account info and presonal info. Good luck. It is ppl like this that make ppl question online trading and selling.

[Almeister]

There are "ways" to take care of people like this

Give us some details if possible. Name, phone number, an address that you might have somwhere.

The AO community is far reaching and i'm sure someone here probably lives within a few block of him, w00t! Beat downs are always top notch.

Sorry to hear u got ripped off.

Thanks, Fragtek. Thats the kind of support I wanna hear.

Okay, here's what I info I have so far....

Name: Adam F. Howard
Phone: 716-259-1059
Location: Le Roy, New York
E-mail: [email protected] (also his Paypal address)
[email protected] (this is the one used for eBay)

I was unable to get his address, I would have to subpoena Paypal or eBay to get it. So, if there are any skiptracers on AO, help a fellow AO'er out.

[Southparkrocks]

Did you pay with a credit card, because if you did could you cancel the payment?

[nate2k191]

i too am sorry to hear your tale. i have never been ripped off before, but im pretty sure ebay has some policy where if a seller/buyer does not do his part in an auction there are serious consequences - unless both buyer and seller agree the deal is off. so file a report or something with ebay. they might arrest him or soemthing. BTW thats what u get for buying an autococker , j/k

[Destructo6]

Does anyone know of any other ways I can go after this deadbeat besides small claims? If I sue him in small claims I would have to fly all the way to New York from California to do it and I don't think it would be worth the hassle. I WANT TO MAKE THIS DEADBEAT SELLER PAY! Any and all suggestions are

Get the Feds involved. The FBI has a division dedicated to investigate Internet fraud complaints. If the guy has left a paper/electronic trail, and it sound like he did, and ripped off several people, they'll look into it. It may take a while and you may never see your money, but the guy could very well spend times behind bars. Worked once for me.

http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

[Almeister]

Did you deposit funds into paypal using a Credit Card? If so contact your card company.

Yeah I did I'll do that right now.

Did you pay with a credit card, because if you did could you cancel the payment?

I called and they said I could file a claim for non-receipt of merchandise. They're gonna send me some afadavits to sign and get notarized, so hopefully I will get my money back. Even if my credit card company gives my money back the seller still has money that doesn't belong to him. Do you know if the CC company goes after him?

BTW thats what u get for buying an autococker , j/k

It must be a sign from the paintball gods telling me to stick with my Mag.

[djmrk]

Try this specialized site for internet fraud www.ic3.gov ; paypal gave me to solve a disput I had for an item that was not purchased off of ebay.

[Crighton]

Yeah I did I'll do that right now.



I called and they said I could file a claim for non-receipt of merchandise. They're gonna send me some afadavits to sign and get notarized, so hopefully I will get my money back. Even if my credit card company gives my money back the seller still has money that doesn't belong to him. Do you know if the CC company goes after him?



It must be a sign from the paintball gods telling me to stick with my Mag.

CC companies ALWAYS go after they guy as they are the ones out the money. That's the reason they make you sign all the paper work and usually file a police complaint.

[Almeister]

Get the Feds involved. The FBI has a division dedicated to investigate Internet fraud complaints. If the guy has left a paper/electronic trail, and it sound like he did, and ripped off several people, they'll look into it. It may take a while and you may never see your money, but the guy could very well spend times behind bars. Worked once for me.

So, you were actually able to have the guy that ripped you off get arrested? This sounds very encouraging.

[djmrk]

Keep in mind, investigations could take up to 30 days or longer. Most likely, if he did not send, you will get your money back.

[Almeister]

CC companies ALWAYS go after they guy as they are the ones out the money. That's the reason they make you sign all the paper work and usually file a police complaint.

My CC company didn't tell me to file a police report. Should I go ahead and do that too? I want to use every avenue possible.

[nate2k191]

go almeister, get that bastard! go go go