DM4 will rocks your socks off.
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Still a dead even tie. Amazing.
Well I got to shoot another viking today (with eyes) and I do believe I will be getting one. As for the one the shop owner is selling... no tank, no barrel, won't go any lower than 700. So, I am looking else where.
The other viking I was shoot is for sale also.
2002 Half Milled Mineral Gray Viking
WAS unsure of version
WAS ACE
Eye covers
Humphrey noid
Black dye stickies
JmJ trigger
Not sure what reg, looks stock
CCM low rise
Same barrels as above
He wants 850, I can get him down to 800 though. Pretty fair deal?
The trigger isn't quite as sweet as the other viking, but still nice. Also the debounce was on 4 vs 3 on the first viking.
Anyway, appreciate the feedback. Made my decision a little easier. If anyone here is selling one shoot me some PMs.
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Not a fair deal. I have seen loaded 2004 vikings going for 850 or so, with a blank warranty card. Lifetime warranty is only for original owner, so if they sent it in, bye bye warranty.
WAS version is irrelevant, you can upgrade the software via an equalink cable. The WAS boards are all physically the same. And one of the joys of AKA guns is that the stock parts are the BEST parts you can have. Reg? Sidewinder, the best (except for the new AKA 2 liter). Valve? Tornado, the best. LPR? Stock or SCM, two great lprs. Bolt? Lightning bolt, the best.
And factor this into your equation. I have owned 3 Xmags, 2 Emags, a Naughty Dog Timmy, 2 Freeflow eblades, and a DM4, and I prefer AKA guns to all of those. I actually shoot an excalibur, but thats a different story
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More questions. Is it all the WAS boards that have the FSDO issue? You can adjust the debounce through the trigger right?
Few other questions
Switch... Bedlam or WAS? Which is better..
This may be a stupid question, but what does a mitey max do?
The pandora board, have heard (or read) some good and bad about it. It claims no FSDO, but has a pain in the ... tourney lock?
So the viking has a regulator (drops pressure to??) and a low pressure regulator (brings it down to 80 or something?) and then my adjustable tank. Just trying to get my facts straight.
Thank you agian Steelrat. I appreciate the excellent advise here. Goto love AO people.
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WAS version 1.6 is supposed to eliminate FSDO. Debounce can be adjusted through the trigger, along with dwell and eye mode.Originally posted by RTDynaflow
I don't use the Bedlam or WAS switch. I always use a razor blade trigger with the stock switch and no spring. Bedlam and WAS tend to be too light to return a trigger without a spring.
Mitey max is a volumiser, lets you lower the operating pressure of the gun. Supposed to lower recoil and slightly increase efficiency. Results have been more subjective than objective.
Pandora board. Had it, sold it. If you are upgrading from a nelson board, id go Pandora, but if it has WAS id just keep it. Pandora is a good product, but not really different from the WAS, except that the maker posts on the AKA forum. The owner of WAS is a tool.
Main reg on a viking (the sidewinder) drops the input pressure to about 200 or so. The LPR drops the cocking, or ram, pressure to about 72 psi. The full 200 psi or so is the operating pressure, or what is shot out through the bolt to fire the paintball. I run my dynaflow at about 450-500 with my AKA guns, works great. Sidewinder also deals with HP tanks just fine.Comment
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Most Pre-1.6 WAS boards have FSDO, but if you get a MM that usually solves it. You can adjust debounce, dwell, and eye mode through the trigger, its soo simple.Originally posted by RTDynaflow
I use the Razorblade like Steelrat with the stock switch flipped and bent. Makes for a very light pull. My friend uses a WAS Switch and it doesnt always return the trigger which makes things a pain sometimes. Oh, for triggers dont get the JmJ Slingblade unless you like shooting under 5bps.
If you have WAS just send it to AKA and they will do it for free. All you have to do is pay shipping to/from i think. If you have Nelson board, just go ahead and get the Pandora. Theres really no difference in the boards except the pandora has better eye logic.
The Sidewinder and Stock LPR on 03's/04's lower your pressure to around 75~. Theres no point in having an adjustable tank. Youd just be triple regging the air. If i were you id just sell your adjustable and buy a preset, HP/LP doesnt matter, and use the extra cash for someting else.Comment
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Well I'm a first time Viking owner (got one of the last 04 Immrtals) and after doing research for close to 1.5 years I decided with the Viking. Without even touching one. To say I was nervous is an understatement. But after spending my life in the AKA, and AGD forums at PBN I felt more than comfortable going with my decision. It really came down to the DM4 and Viking, and I have heard plenty of horror stories about flimsy DM4 wiring problems. I have used my Viking for almost 2 months and become more and more impressed every time i use her. The Pandora is amazing and I love the ability to put bounce on if I want. The regulator is still working itself in but the consistancy gets better every day out. I had 'virgin' fingers before I got the vike and I can RIP 18bps no problem (without bounce). If you have the money to buy a custom viking, go ahead and get an 04. It is more cosmetically appealing than the stock unmilled version but remember that your gun is a tool first, showpiece second. I was afraid to play with my Immortal cause I didn't want it to get scratched. But the truth of the matter is, i didn't spend $1300 for something to hang on the wall. Either way; unmilled or custom 04 vikings are going to make you smile every day you use them. Another thing thats great with having ANY custom gun ( istill think XMags are the hottest) is that you are set apart from all the others at your field. I never liked having what everybody else had and going with the flavour of the day. Get you what like regardless of what anyone else says...........*get the vike*
Unfortunately I am starting to feel the 'AKA Gun Whore Itch' .
MUST HAVE CUSTOM EXCALLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!! 
Last edited by ghost271; 09-06-2004, 06:04 PM.If you can't join em, shoot em !Comment
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Another question: SCM is just a better LPR right?
Definately want a viking. Just trying to figure out which is I want. The milled 03 with WAS and all that seem to be going for 800-850. And 04 are only like 100 more brand new.. unmilled, but still... Hmm.
Ghost, that is the viking I want, except I couldn't find them on their website. Does whats his name due custom milling?Comment
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SCM, and the new 2 liter HPR, are "self compensating" regs. That is, the output is supposed to stay stable regardless of input pressure fluctuations. So, in that respect, the SCM is a superior reg, though the original AKA LPR is held in very high regard. Some people still use them instead of the SCM, believing the original to be the better reg. I wouldnt worry if the gun had a stock lpr, they work great.Originally posted by RTDynaflow
I think OTE has one dust black immortal for sale, he had it listed on the AKA BST forum. JMJ also has a green acid featherlight for sale, and destructive customs has several DC vikings. If you need links, just LMK. Remember, the only difference between them and stocks is looks and weight, operation is identical.
And I think the 04 vikings feel a lot smaller and lighter than the 03s.Comment
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OTE does the Immortals. He may have one black one left. http://www.ontargetentertainment.com...tal/index2.htm
As long as the 03 has eyes drilled you dont really need to worry if you want to upgrade the board. The 04s just have the same side dual detents instead of the wire ones. check out the aka forums at pbnation.com Pics of a guy that has a custom RollOut Viking '04 NIB. He wants $1200 .lmk and I'll give you his email addy.If you can't join em, shoot em !Comment
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Links would be awesome....Comment
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Destructives for sale: http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=630599
Immortals: On PBN, though its sale pending: http://pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=625721
Website: www.ontargetentertainment.com
Featherlights: Website is under construction, but you can email them www.jmjconcepts.com
AKA BST forum, where there are plenty of vikings for sale: http://pbnation.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=262Comment
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I voted other just for the simple fact that the Viking you had listed in your first post sucks. Get a Viking, but not that one, that seems to be what you are going to do. I use 2 different trigger set ups, the first one is with a Bedlam switch and stock spring with the stock blade trigger and the second is a Matrix frame(milled to fit the Viking) with CP roller trigger, no spring and 50g switch. I like the Trix frame the best. I have WAS 1.6 with no fsdo and it is very fast. I also have a Mitey Max and decreased the kick noticeably, I would recommend getting one. The maintenence is a breeze and it is one of the, if not the, fastest gun around. I love my Viking and wouldn't trade it for anything except another Viking or maybe an Excalibur.
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Well I am definately not buying the one from the first post...
OMG!! AKA, please forgive me for saying vikings are fugly.
I spoke out of ignorance, aka.
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