Thoughts on Cheating?

[ilikePB]

Actually, I've played some limited paint games and they're quite fun, more movement, more muggings, less hunkering down and spray and pray. It requires more communication and coordination to win since you cant just sit and spray and pray your way through your eliminations.

Additionaly, most limited paint games I've played in allow for handing off full pods to other players, front guys can hand one off to the back men to give them a few more rounds to pin suckers down with while you run in and mug them.

gtrsi: You're 100% right, content here has dropped off the proverbial edge steadily over the past year, we're seeing more PBN regulars moving over here and posting in a similar vein.

-Evil Bob

Actually I've played some limited paint games and it was a lot more boring then normal speedball imo. Also, I think it's a joke that a lot of you guys think that mass amounts of paint in the air and cheating take no skill. If they have such little skill why aren't you in the pro ranks of the NPPL? I'll tell you why, you would get owned hardcore. Playing with cheating and mass amounts of paint in the air do take skill, otherwise this thread wouldn't have started in the first place cause the cheating team would not have won. Having no paint limit and having the element of cheaters makes the game very hard. I wouldn't even think about stepping on the field with a team like Dynasty and pretend for one second that I'd be able to win. However, I can walk onto any woodsball field and know that I will do better than almost any of the players there. This isn't totaly directed at you, I just quoted you about the limited paint games specifically, just fyi.

[hAppy]

Yeah, whats that going to do, just make the situation worse by pissing off the other player so he turns around and starts cussing and shooting at you and then the bad side of paintball is shown. Great Job, way to make things worse tard.

Poor argument. Two wrongs does not make a right, but a cheater is a cheater. If the cheater got mad at the guy, would it compensate for his cheating?

[ilikePB]

If I remember correctly, bonus balling is also against the rules. So by bonus balling someone who whiped a hit you also become a cheater.

[68magOwner]

personally, ive played against legal DM4's, and ramping DM4's and honestly, id prefer them to have the ramping board when laning, cuz the only difference it makes is that they run out of paint sooner, i mean, your not gonna get through a legal lane anyway at the speed most people can shoot today but snap shooting against those things is a pain in the *tush* but hey, what are you gonna do, im not paying $400 just to cheat, i would sooner pay $400 for more refs/ robots to catch cheaters

[68magOwner]

If I remember correctly, bonus balling is also against the rules.

only at 1 of 3 local fields my policy is that i dont whine about their whiping if they dont whine about my head hunting/bonus balling, both are "bad" things to do, they cant hurt me by wiping, it only means i get to shoot them again

[AGDlover]

Cheaters suck. If you cheat, may you get hit by a bus.

ditto

[SlipknotX556]

If I remember correctly, bonus balling is also against the rules. So by bonus balling someone who whiped a hit you also become a cheater.

Well, then iv cheated a millions times, a million times over. Bounce balling is part of the game, everyone has done it.

[matt-o]

i think some of these pro-cheating guys just want an excuse for losing

cheaters suck, when you dont play paintball by the rules it kills the chances of paintball going mainstream a little, and its just plain dishonorable

may i be the first to say it (unless i missed it before)

anyone who breaks the rules of paintball are dishonorable, no matter what their excuse

edit, and for the guy who said to quit if you dont like cheaters, why dont you quit if you dont like the rules of the game

edit (again) bonusball the heck out of all cheaters, then tell em thats why you did it after the game, maybe they'll grow some balls then, but dont bonusball fair players, thats is my policy on b-ballin

[ilikePB]

Well, then iv cheated a millions times, a million times over. Bounce balling is part of the game, everyone has done it.

Yes I know, I bonus ball too. I was making a point though cause a guy said earlier that if someone wiped when he hit them that he would bonus ball them, but if he gets so angry at those who brake the rules then why is he braking rules by bonus balling. I know this is not a rule at all fields, but it is at some.

[Bobbyboy]

edit, and for the guy who said to quit if you dont like cheaters, why dont you quit if you dont like the rules of the game

LMAO ohh good one. me likey. that deserves some dancing bannanas

[Evil Bob]

Actually I've played some limited paint games and it was a lot more boring then normal speedball imo. Also, I think it's a joke that a lot of you guys think that mass amounts of paint in the air and cheating take no skill. If they have such little skill why aren't you in the pro ranks of the NPPL? I'll tell you why, you would get owned hardcore. Playing with cheating and mass amounts of paint in the air do take skill, otherwise this thread wouldn't have started in the first place cause the cheating team would not have won. Having no paint limit and having the element of cheaters makes the game very hard. I wouldn't even think about stepping on the field with a team like Dynasty and pretend for one second that I'd be able to win. However, I can walk onto any woodsball field and know that I will do better than almost any of the players there. This isn't totaly directed at you, I just quoted you about the limited paint games specifically, just fyi.

There is no skill involved in just sitting and spraying paint, zero, a trained monkey can empty a loader at 20+ bps with today's cheater boards. Sitting down and not moving takes "zero" skill, you just sit there. You dont even need to get in tight with the bunker/inflatable if you're going to wipe whatever hits you... again, zero skill. The only skill that you're refering to is wiping away from the ref, which isn't hard, any 4 year old who's snuck a cookie from mom's cookie jar knows how to do this. If the ref thinks you are out, just argue that's it's splatter from the bunker and keep right on playing, odds are they'll sooner ignore you then deal with you over the matter of them being out since the reffing staff is just another player... again, zero skill necessary. Accuracy through volume takes zero skill other then not dumping all your balls on the ground.

If you're bored with a limited paint game, that tells me you're not moving, you're just sitting there "bored" because you're either low on or completely out of ammo and you can't spray everything in sight, and your meager skills dont include anything else in your arsonal other then sitting and spraying. Working with a limited amount of paint means you need to make your shots count instead of indescriminate spraying. Oh yeah, cheating takes sooooo much skill.... NOT. Sadly, it takes more skill to stay in a game with cheaters and NOT cheat then it does to play like they do. Having a no paint limit just means people sit on their butts and spray... that doesn't make it hard at all or a very skillful game, just very static. Everyone runs for their first bunker then sits there for 5 minutes spraying at the guys at the other end until there is a numerical advantage.... again not much skill needed there.

Who's to say that I wasn't a ranked pro player in the NPPL or NXL or any other league you can or cant think of? You have no clue as to who I have and have not played for or what I have done in my paintball career.

I dont play pro ball today not because I've been outclassed by today's primadonnas with all their cheater "skills", its as simple as it no longer being any fun to do so. As Tom posted, the average tourny player burns out after only a couple years on the circuit, and it usually comes down to the fact that the game is no longer fun, and when people stop having fun, they re-evaluate their reason for playing. There comes a time when you just plain get tired of the travel, living in hotels, dealing with airport security on trying to get your marker/gear on the plane, dealing with international shipping when your marker/gear doesnt arrive in time because the airlines wouldn't let you travel with it, trying to scrounge a spare marker the day of the event... the list goes on...

Robbo had an interesting idea one tourney not so long ago... he put together a team of what the rest of you younguns would term as "has beens" or "old farts", "grumpsters", "old timers", etc. and entered said team of old timers into a very noteable international tourney series for just the single weekend to prove a point. This team of old farts, for some crazy unfathomable reason to the younger crowd, won every game they played against the younger and more "athletic" teams, including some very noteable "pro" teams I might add and easily made the semi finals, at which point Robbo withdrew the team from the playing roster and allowed the next team in teh running to take it's place. Care to guess at all what the point was he was making?

-Evil Bob

[dave_p]

well, some of the problem is that paintball allows children to play (and many adults who are still spoiled children). many of whom have never been taught honor or discipline. many whom suffer little consequense for their actions outside of paintball much less while playing.
the companies see you children as an endless stream of money and that is the only reason you are able to do all this, and why it wont change.

flame away. you will only be added to my ignore list because nothing you say or any well crafted argument meant to "own" me will mean a darn thing to me. if you are mad you are either a cheater, child, spoiled or all of the above. your little opinions are worthless to me.

the game is being ruined by spoiled children/adults and the companies who are fleecing them.

[LaW]

I didnt read this thread because I have read comments on this subject thousands of times before. I do have to say that I was watching world cup on OLN for the first time and they made a comment on one of the players trying to wipe and that he did it poorly like he hasnt played in a long time. I couldnt believe how they just talked it out like oh thats what makes a good player, someone who can wipe and get away with it.

[wispaintstyle]

I realy don't care about the rof issue. If they want high rof let them have it. What I care about is honor. When you're hit, you're hit. LEAVE THE FEILD!!!!! I play with honor, whether I have a stock gun, or a high end semi in my hands. Some days i get rolled, like at shatnerball when I decided that blue would look nice. Thats every sport, you can't win them all.

[ilikePB]

Man this is ridiculous. So I shoot a lot of paint, that means I don't move? Why don't you tell that to the people I play against. I get to the friggin 50 everytime I can off the break. Get over yourself. I will now stop posting in this thread because it does no good. Paintball will continue like it is for a while because that's how the newer generation likes it and you won't change it. Good bye and have fun with your limited paint games.