im sorry

[damageinc54]

Originally posted by MJS1214
he made a mistake, he apologized for it ,what harm was done by it?

What harm was done by it??? Come on! Hundreds of superbolt owners getting ready to send their bolts back to AGD, AGD scratching their head as to what is wrong with their bolts, word traveling all of the forums that the superbolts are no good, damage to AGD's image. All of this because some kid wants to tell a lie like a 3 year old. I think that banning him is the least of what AGD should do.

[rightsidefight]

is this kid baned?id really like an answer.he not only cuased agd a lot of time and money but he also cuased alot of people time and sme even money.what about the people that had to pay shipping to get there perfectly fine bolts to agd and now probably wont be able to play this weekend becaue some little kid had tofeel important and make up a lie.and to all of you people who are rewarding this kid.....he may have came out and confessed but thats not important.he didnt do it to feel good and b man.he did it so he wouldnt get caught later on and be in big trouble.im not trying to flame buti am so pissed right now i wish i could do something about this kid.what i want to know is what agd is doing abou this.are they takin legal action?if not why?that damn kid wasted alot of time and money that you shouldnt have had to spare.although all of this did happen i jus want to give 2 thumbs up to the whole crew at agd and tom for handeling this so quickly,proffesionaly,and seriously.ok im done now.

chris

[irbodden]

To be honest, what kind of punishment is "banning" him? It's not our job or duty to punish him, we aren't his parents, nor do we even know who this kid is. I am sure this kid feels like "dog doo doo" for what he did and the result of it. We should be thankful that the Superbolts are infact safe, and allow little Bonzy-wonzys parents to kick the crap out of him. Enough said

[MJS1214]

Originally posted by damageinc54


What harm was done by it??? Come on! Hundreds of superbolt owners getting ready to send their bolts back to AGD, AGD scratching their head as to what is wrong with their bolts, word traveling all of the forums that the superbolts are no good, damage to AGD's image. All of this because some kid wants to tell a lie like a 3 year old. I think that banning him is the least of what AGD should do.

hey r u forgetting that the superbolts were already cracking??they were going to recall anyway werent they??

[Nitroduck]

I hope Im not flaming but heres my feelings on this....While trying to keep my name calling to a minimum.

Bones, I hate to say it but you are a moron for doing this.

Do you realize the fallout you could bring, or have brought on the great company known as Airgun Designs?
Because of YOUR actions, you made a great company, and a great man (tom) recall ALL the superbolts for a period of time. Who knows how many shipped thiers to AGD? 1? 5? 50? 500? Its going to cost AGD ALOT of cash to get those shipped back.....Even at $1 a pop, it could have been used to further the progression of the Anti-Chop Eye, Emag production, Minimag production, ect. But its not because you did something very stupid, bring a slanderous accusation of a product being faulty and could cause great injury to a person or equipment.

You also need to consider the reprocussions of what you did. You forced Tom to recall them. Because of this, I've seen a few non-AO people talk about this. This can bring reprocussions on the Superbolt sales remendously. Now AGD could possibly have a reputation of briging half-cocked products to the market. Remember SP Impulses and the problems they had when they started out? They got tons of flames and fallout for the first few having faults and because of that, I am certain that thier sales were lower than expected...Don't you think the same thing can happen because of one mans slanderous accusations of a product actually causing harm can do the same?

Are you going to pay for return shipping for the people that sent thier bolts into AGD because of a lie YOU created?

Even though I don't own a superbolt, I thought the idea was grand. Yes, a few have had problems, but when someone creates hype about SOMEONE GETTING HURT it makes me very angry. What if someone were to copy cat you and claim thier had a faulty regulator and causes a gun to spike and cause injury to someone. You really need to think about what you did and make repcompense for the actions you have partaken in. Saying that you lied is a start....But are you going to do more?

[Vegeta]

Alright... heres my view:
1. It was childish of him to make it up.
2. It was man of him to admit it.
3. It was foolish in the first place.
4. It will cost AGD and Tom alot of money and time.

So he was an idiot that made a big ding dang mistake.
The person I feel sorry for the most is Tom. I remeber hearing him in the chat pondering over the superbolt problem at midnight on NEW YEARS. While most of you were watchign the TV or out at parties, he was here trying to figure all this stuff out.

(on a slight humor note, I have never head anyone "Downgrading to an Upgrade" ... heh...)

[FooTemps]

Bones, you're an idiot. Maybe you should pay shipping for every bolt shipped back to AGD and maybe you should email everyone who owns an automag or has hear about the superbolt problem an apology.
That's a punishment. Let see, about $700 out of your pocket and about 4 months of your free time trying to find every person who knows about the problem and emailing them. I think this is a fit punishment. Banning someone does nothing.

[Shaft]

Never Cry Wolf

Now what if something does happen?

What was this guy thinking?!?! I can't even conceive the motivation for lying about something like this. It freaks me out.

[Magman425]

Why are people on this kids side. Oh wait but I forgot since he came forward about his lie he's a man, that's bs. Also if I were his parents I would beat the living crap out of him. I hope AGD takes legal action against him to stop any copy cat stories. If they don't I think there telling every other retard out there that it's alright to wreck AGD's reputation just so they can get there 15 min. of fame.

[M-a-s-sDriver]

Fire and Brimstone on me...

But what the hell.
I think ALL of you could learn a lesson from this.
Forums such as these are a form of entertainment. If you, or I view it as anything other than that, then you will learn hard lessons. Look how outraged and disappointed we are with this KID...yes kid... that he lied to you. You don't know him, he certainly does not know us, yet some of us here, including Mr. Kaye, whom I respect, believed something he said. The fact is, you can say whatever you want on these pages, and someone will believe it.
The only reason I bring this up in this manner is to hopefully disuade you from taking these things so personnally, as if you have been attacked by a friend. Unless you actually, for real, in real life know someone on the board here, I would urge you not to read things on this forum not as if it were gospel, but rather as a novel.
I personnally know only one person on this forum (MAUI PFB),and him I trust. I have no concrete evidence that anyone here is either who or what they say. You don't even know for sure who I am, or who ARMY is (hey, those could be pics of his uncle) or anyone else.
Maybe it would be nice if we did'nt help Mr. Kaye out as much as we think we should.

If that REALLY IS Tom Kaye...ahem.

So, I will have another beer, Do my Taxes, and become angrier with every passing moment.
Brent Jackson, PFB.

[irbodden]

Re: Fire and Brimstone on me...

Originally posted by M-a-s-sDriver
Maybe it would be nice if we did'nt help Mr. Kaye out as much as we think we should.

Tom Kaye is very appreciative of our help, this is the first time something like this has happend, and to be honest I thought there was alittle something fishy with this kid. Had he not admitted it right away, I am sure someone would have figured it out.

Tom watches these forums for our input and ideas, and thats why he bought it and why he offers contests for us every once in a while.

Hopefully, this problem will not change the position we were once in to present with Tom new ideas and input on upcoming products.

[spawnboy]

Slitting your own throat...

That is all this person did. He probably is being punished in many forms, this forum being one of them. But unfortunatly his biggest loss is the fall of support that this sport will have for him. His consience will remind him of what he did forever. Even if it was a big deal or not to some of us. I don't know Mr. Kaye. I didn't even own a mag for the 8 years I've been in paintball. But I have always drooled over the quality and craftmanship of the mag. It was like the holy grail when I started in 93; anyway my point is the good will prevail. Thanks for coming forward Bone*ead. I will meet Mr. Kaye, because I am the SPAWNBOY! You Bones may have slit your own throat.


Spawner

[damageinc54]

Originally posted by MJS1214


hey r u forgetting that the superbolts were already cracking??they were going to recall anyway werent they??

Get you facts straight before quoting. The superbolts were only recalled because somebody had supposedly got hurt by one. That was the reason for the recall, not the cracking delrin. The recall has been called off because the kids claim of getting hurt was a hoax. Get it right.

[toymyster]

MJS, he deserves to be punished!!! Whatever his reasons were for concocting a story like that, is irrelevant!! His "story" caused , or almost caused a major panic in a business during the holiday season, and he needs to be punished for what he's done!!! I'm 100% with Dawump, shartly, and the rest on this one!!! I mean, what were you thinking??? And I hope you learn from this for the future!!!

[ThePatriot]

Ok, if someone could fill me in on what happened in a manner that wouldnt flame anyone or make anyone angry that would be great. I havent really been following AO and i saw this and now i am very curious as to what exactly happened.

As for lying....all I can tell you is, i can understand why he would do it, i exadurate things ALL THE TIME to people to make myself seem like the victim, this was done at a much higher level though(again im not sure exactly what happened, im assuming from i have read) I think he only apologized because he was afraid, i know i would be. Normally the comment he made would have been disregarded but because it was followed up and all this happened he freaked. Perhaps the authorities called his house asking about a superbolt injury for a report to file....who knows, his apology was not said because he was sorry, it was to prevent his arse from getting into a bigger web of problems...