Cyborg is slow

[Blazestorm]

No seriously, I don't see DM4's going faster then 14-15, and there are 100's of people that have them over here.

So far the only gun close to mine is my friends bouncing NYX Matrix and my other friend (Who's an Official Timmy Tech, Check for Loren Fox on Oaklands website...) And his "fun" board alias...

Cyborg is the win.

[speeddemon]

No seriously, I don't see DM4's going faster then 14-15, and there are 100's of people that have them over here.

So far the only gun close to mine is my friends bouncing NYX Matrix and my other friend (Who's an Official Timmy Tech, Check for Loren Fox on Oaklands website...) And his "fun" board alias...

Cyborg is the win.

Correction, you don't see anyone that has a dm4 shooting past 14-15 bps. We all know they can and do shoot much faster than that. I have held, shot and seen many that are easy to shoot past that (yeah, some of them had cheater boards, but still fun).

[Blazestorm]

Show me a video of a DM4 shooting 17-18bps legally (Stock Board w/o Bounce)

Until then, Bull.

[ojhspyro89]

From what im hearing this may be my time to express my feelings about those real expensive high end guns.

Why do people buy a gun that can shoot 4000 bps if they can only shoot 16 legally w/o bounce? Personally ill stay with my low end gun that will not cost much and will satisfy me. I own a bko and it caps at 18, i really doubt ill cap that any time soon or need 18.

high end guns are kool and all but is there a real good advantage of having a gun that shoots a 1000 bps? Air effeciancy can be achieved with just about any gun with all the goods. But if your going to use your high end gun at a field, who cares unless u choose to shoot over 2000 balls in a game. You pay 10 bucks for all day air so air effeciancy isnt too much of a big deal.

Just so i dont fell all left out and stuff,

What are your guys opinions on high end guns? Why do u NEED that thousand bps 10 psi operating pressure gun?

Showing off is kool i guess but thats digging into hype and i dont want to go there.

[No sKiLLz]

Show me a video of a DM4 shooting 17-18bps legally (Stock Board w/o Bounce)

Until then, Bull.

Leatherpants just posted one a few months ago. In fact he was doing 18 consistantly on Featherlite Viking, NYX, A4 and DM4. DM4 is just a slimmed down version of an NYX. Boards are near identical. I know this is hard to accept, but the Cyborg is not the best gun in the world just because you own it.

[madmolly]

Right

Leatherpants just posted one a few months ago. In fact he was doing 18 consistantly on Featherlite Viking, NYX, A4 and DM4. DM4 is just a slimmed down version of an NYX. Boards are near identical. I know this is hard to accept, but the Cyborg is not the best gun in the world just because you own it.

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I own a DM4 and a cyborg and guess which one is going. The cyborg. For no reason only becuase the DM4 feels better in my hands. The DM4 is not faster for me or is the cyborg any faster. I shoot them both equal. It just boils down to preference and I would rather have two Dm4s than a DM4 and a Cyborg. Less parts to carry.

[tony3]

The one cyborg I tried, first off I disliked the balance on it, felt very heavy and off balance with a rail, 68/45 and halo. I also didn't think it was anything special to shoot, seemed to shoot like a nice impulse or timmy. I haven't watched the vid as I'm on an ISDN line right now, got to wait till my brother gets off the other comp. with cable.

[FSU_Paintball]

Show me a video of a DM4 shooting 17-18bps legally (Stock Board w/o Bounce)

Until then, Bull.

When the DM4 was first released, there was a guy on an NCPA team that had some huge videos up of them playing with it... he was blazing on that thing. I think it was a Georgia Tech guy, but I could be wrong...

Anyways, believe me, they're just as fast as the fastest markers out there today (well, maybe not a viking...)

The trigger pulls suck out of the box. If someone can't go faster than 14BPS, it's their own fault for either not knowing how to shoot a gun fast, or having the trigger improperly set up. My eblade runs over 18, and I know it's not as fast as a DM4.

[The Action Figure]

bull, how much bounce

[68magOwner]

. My eblade runs over 18, and I know it's not as fast as a DM4.

anyway, those DM4 vids are of mike evans, and are VERY fast, anyway, there are tons of DM4's here, and they are ALL fast a hell, also, how can you tell a marker bounces from a vid? im making the assumption that if someone finds a vid of anythign faster you will say "it has bounce" how you know that? and how do we know your borg dosent bounce?

[Blazestorm]

Like one person said, it's preference.

If I had a choice of DM4 or Cyborg, I would go with my Cyborg, not because it's more consistent, hell I got to check out a nerve yesterday at the field, and it was shooting +-1 with Diablo Blaze. Can't say much bad about it, it was definately overpriced, and the stock reg blows, but it's not that bad of a gun (We made him turn off the ramping mode ) Nor is my cyborg incredibly efficient, No matter what they say about getting 2000 shots off a 68/4500, I get about 500 shots off 1500psi on my 45ci tank.

It's preference, I really like the feel of my cyborg, I've lent it out to a couple of people who have shot/owned DM4's, Alias's and they really like it. I'm not going to say my gun is the best and other guns aren't faster.

And if my gun was bouncing I'd be hitting 20, when I lent my friend the gun with the inverted 25gram, he was hitting 20 easily, and had to use a revy because of it.

The saddest part of this is, I shoot a hopper and 1-2 pods a game, and when I shoot someone it's usually during a snap-shootng, me doing run-throughs, or me getting a better angle on someone, it's rarely when I'm shooting more then 5bps :P

In conclusion my cyborg is good as banana in a can.

[can'tthink of1]

I want a cyborg so freaking bad, over any other marker out there, dm4, dark timmy, a4 fly, I want it more...

But I don't have the money for one now, and won't for about another year (car, insurance, gas)

Curse life for catching up to me... arg.... I may even quit paintball for some time b/c of a lack of cashflow...

[FSU_Paintball]

bull, how much bounce

No bull, and lots of bounce. I can't pull a consistent 18 by myself, but I can easily set up my cocker to cycle that fast. nexus ram with QEVs, very light cocking mass, and tweaked settings... I recorded it and looked at it over goldwave... divided by 2 because of backblock noise, and came up with over 18BPS.

So 68MagOwner, no need to roll your eyes.

It's not like I can fire that fast, but it's nice knowing it's there. Unlike most eblade owners, I know how to tune my cocker.

[FragTek]

www.blazestorm.net/borg2lq.wmv Low
www.blazestorm.net/borg2hq.wmv High

How you not gonna post these on COG? BOOOO! lol.

[phantomhitman]

fsu paintball, are you in any way a cocker tech or related to ayutocockerhq.com? it seems taht there is a guy on pbnation with a similiar name that helps me out at cockerhq.

sorry to hijack the thread