Spyder AMG or Raven Nexion or EM1

[Thermus]

Raven Nexion is a waste of money. Its the same exact thing as an imagine or any other spyder gun, just with different milling and colors. The AMG has a few suddle differences, on of which is the trigger frame is moved slightly forward, making the balance of the gun better.

[jwalker87]

ive been waiting to talk about upgrades! Here are some of the most worthwhile upgrades you can do to a Spyder. The Timmy conversion is not one of them, as it doesnt increase performance, but whatever floats your boat...

Tornado Valve or Rocket valve
Tornado is best, but costs $65. Rocket is pretty close, and costs only $35

Spudnukl LP Bolt
lighter and less friction than the Lightning bolt; also half the price ($30 compared to $55)

New board
Ive been out of it for a while, but there are 3 competing boards for Spyders. The best is NOT the t. It is ths IS-board. Dont remember the price, though.

Regulator
The Torpedo reg is pretty nice, and for around $50 is a good reg for the money. However, if you're looking for the best, the Palmer's Stabilizer will give you the best consistency, especially if you're using co2, as it has a builtin x-chamber. The Palmer's costs around $80 though

Titatium Striker
THe bolt and striker move together, so any reduction in friction or weight is beneficial. The $35 titanium strikers are something like 1/4 the weight of the stock striker, and much smoother also


I think that's about it to have a really nice one. I HIGHLY recommend you check out www.ottersccustoms.com if you want to learn how Spyders tick and what upgrades work best on them. This guy has been working with Spyders for ever, and he knows all there is to know about them. Good luck with your marker search!

[boggerman]

If you're not absolutely set on a spyder, you might also think about a BKO. They can be had for under $250 if you look on ebay, and they are capable of 16-18 bps in lightly upgraded form. Go for an '04 as they are cocker barrel threaded instead of ICD and they share several parts with the bushmaster line so upgrades are more plentiful. Count on needing a new bolt right away, but the stock reg is good and the internals are not bad. From what I read there is a ram mod that works similar to level 10 in the mag to help prevent chops. They also can be modified to accept the PDS (break-beam eye) system from the higher end bushies if you wanted to do this at a later time.

Just a thought on a possible alternative if you are interested, not bad-mouthing spyders.

[tolley]

Em1

I know you said EM1 was out, but have you ever shot one? From what I see online I think they are very similar to a b2k, you guys correct me if I'm wrong, but look at schematic of one.

2 way solenoid
the same firing modes
adjustable trigger
same overall length and weights the same

and of course it looks almost identical.


And used there elcheapo.

[XbeasleyX]

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Looked up the EM1 and it does look like it operates the same as a B2k, but IMHO it its way uglier, single trigger on the one I saw was a definate negative, need an adapter for an after market reg and I just dont think anyone but AGD could match ICD's customer service. My vote is for the BKO or B2k. But its your $.

[t33kyboy]

Kingman is a great company and all, but their products suck. If you want a EM1, just get a bko or b2k. The EM1 stock comes with all the traditional worthless kingman parts and a single triggerframe on a electric?? . But some people claim that a up'd EM1 shoots the same, if not better, then a bko.. which is still .

[tolley]

4 sure on bko

I just was pushing the em1 because it was in the thread as an option. But bko or b2k would definately be better in the long run if you want a good electro. I've got 2 now.

[Ballin with a MAG]

if your going to get a spyder you should just buty a cheaper electro and then upgrade it with all the parts you want instead of buying a more expensive gun when you are just goung to replace the same parts

[Gunsmoke]

I think i might 'sup up a spyder espirit and mod it like crazy. I am considering a bko from your suggestions. The espirit I will mod for the best efficency, accuracy, and low pressure operation. I think?

[msprince]

I bought the Amg in early 2002 when they first came out, and it is one of my best markers hands down and we own 14 markers between me and my wife and three of my kids that play,
2 autocockers, 2 automags, 2 tippmans and 4 spyders, and various pumps and older semi's,
You don't have to up grade any thing on the AMG except hte barrrel, I took the venturi out of the stock bolt, for less restricted air flow and to lower the pressure, and adjusted the trigger pull down to a 1/16 inch. The AMG has a larger body then other spyders you'll notice no low pressure chamber, plus the large gas thru grip holds a lot of air, the trigger frame is larger and won't fit on other bodies and the solinoid in in a different position the other ESP frames, my imput pressure on the stock reg is about 450 psi,
This gun shoots great, and gets loaned out every time we play i have not had a single problem with this gun even on co2.

Hopes this helps.

[Banshee23]

I think i might 'sup up a spyder espirit and mod it like crazy

That makes alot more sense then buying the AMG or Nexion. Just throw in the upgrades you mentioned & you'll have basically one of the best spyders possible. BTW tornado valves work best in fatty striker spyders (most older ones), they often have problems in more current models. So definately go for the rocket valve.

[ProX9]

I have a spyder imagine for sale, brand new and never used for 120 bucks if your interested.

[Gunsmoke]

Im not interested in an imagine because i have had 1 before and the bolt jammed all the time. I have been looking at bko, b2k2, b2k3, and b2k4 models. I think the bushy might be an option. Thank you msprince for your info on the amg.

[jwalker87]

ignore what people say about the tornado valve only working on the fatty bodies It works flawlessly in all Spyders. The main difference between the Rocket valve and the Tornado valve is that you have to adjust the Rocket valve to get it working well, while the Tornado is a simple plug-and-go event. If you're willing to spend the time tuning it correctly, the $30 Rocket can be as high flowing as the $65 Tornado. But if you're not willing to do that, go with the Tornado.

[Gunsmoke]

thanks, I am still very much undecided on what to get so any nore info or reviews would be excellent.