Closed Bolt VS Open

[Automaggot68]

Alright.
Recently, a fellow Aoer and myself (magmanl337) and I have gotten into an argument.
He says that Close bolt markers are more accurate than open bolt ones.
I say it doesn't matter, there are too many variables, and that only weather and PTB match is key.

I'm too damned lazy to do a search, so please, flame him--not me.



(Mark, you're going DOWN)

[quik]

Hey did you know my spyder was closed bolt?


Doesnt matter, if indeed closed bolt guns do shoot straighter? Doesnt matter becuase most already think that anyways.

[magmanl337]

closed bolt spyder? never kne that spyders were closed...

[Blazestorm]

My cyborg is more accurate then everything because there are ninjas that hop on each ball inside of the chamber and guide the ball to the target.

That's why it's called the "Ninja Borg"

WEeeee

[t33kyboy]

Closed bolt... Open bolt... doesnt matter. Barrel, Paint, Consistency, and stuff like that effect accuracy, not if its open or closed bolt.

[LaW]

cockers own j00

[magmanl337]

Closed bolt... Open bolt... doesnt matter. Barrel, Paint, Consistency, and stuff like that effect accuracy, not if its open or closed bolt.

Then why do cockers appear to be more accurate?

Open bolts touch the ball and pushes it forward on its out the barrel, this causes awkward spins and affects accuracy. Closed bolts move backwards and do not push the ball on its way out the barrel. Who is right? Are closed bolt guns more accurate?

[t33kyboy]

You guys should make a bet for some money or somthing. Make this a little interesting

[Army]

There have been numerous exhaustive tests about this over the years, not only here by AGD under fairly strict scientific standards, but by WGP, WARPIG, WDP, and yes, even Kingman. The conclusion?

No difference in accuracy, or performance.

The tiny bit of movement given a ball by a slight bump from the forward moving bolt, is negated by the blast of air, and the resistence in the barrel. If you ball is rolling out the barrel from the bolt bump....your barrel is too big, or paint too small.

[CaliMagFan]

this debate is a can of worms and has raged many times in many ways... From what i know the common idea is that it makes no difference open or closed bolt since both breeches or bolts are essentiall closed at the time of firing... and any movement the ball pick up from the bolt in an open bolt system is almost instantly overidden by the ball's contact with teh barrel.... end of my story

-kyro

[Rift]

There have been numerous exhaustive tests about this over the years, not only here by AGD under fairly strict scientific standards, but by WGP, WARPIG, WDP, and yes, even Kingman. The conclusion?

No difference in accuracy, or performance.

The tiny bit of movement given a ball by a slight bump from the forward moving bolt, is negated by the blast of air, and the resistence in the barrel. If you ball is rolling out the barrel from the bolt bump....your barrel is too big, or paint too small.

thanks you!

[Automaggot68]

Mark!
You owe me lunch!

[magmanl337]

Quick! Everyone Change their posts so i dont ahve to buy derek lunch! HURRY!!!!

[VFX_Fenix]

Then why do cockers appear to be more accurate?

Open bolts touch the ball and pushes it forward on its out the barrel, this causes awkward spins and affects accuracy. Closed bolts move backwards and do not push the ball on its way out the barrel. Who is right? Are closed bolt guns more accurate?

Its just that, appearance.

There's more to accuracy than just bolt position before firing. Consider for a momment the condition of an Autococker shooting a very long fast string (say with an eblade or something). This condition is hardly different than an open bolt ramming the ball into battery and firing.

An Autococker has a few things going for it that help in it's accuracy. The biggest thing the Autococker has going for it is that they require a good paint to barrel match to eliminate roll-out. For one reason or another they also seem to have relatively low recoil compaired to blowback markers. Shot to shot muzzle velocity consistancy, which comes from good paint/barrel match and a good regulator. Just a few things, but mostly its just good'ol Cocker Fairies (kidding).

Things that help with consistancy and recoil:
Heavy barrels/markers - These reduce felt recoil by providing more intertia to the marker
Light trigger pulls - removes some of the elements of shooting technique that heavier triggers tend to cause. Most notably pushing with the palm and jerking with the trigger finger.
Good regulators - If a reg is used, the faster it recharges and consistant it is, the better
Paint - Paint that's about as close to "perfect" as it can be (no dimples, no seam, and round)
Good barrel - If the barrel's drilled straight, it'll shoot straight.
Paint/Barrel match - Having a good match provides a fair ammount of flexibility in varying ball sizes with similar muzzle velocities vs. a barrel that's JUST small enough to get the largest ball in the batch stuck but let all the others roll out.

Part of the "Closed Bolt is more accurate that Open Bolt" argument stems from WAY back in the good'ol days when people noticed that Cockers seemed to be shooting a lot better than other semis. This is a thought that's been propogated through paintball culture and now its an "accepted fact" that its so. WARPIG did test this and found nothing changed in accuracy between an open bolt and closed bolt variant of the same gun.

I've proven it in my own back yard with my Angel vs. my Cocker with the Cocker printing a 4x7 grouping and my angel printing a 5x5. With today's markers, it's just a question of quality of gear, not necesarily style of marker. I'd be willing to put big bucks on the table and say that an AC will be beaten in an accuracy test by a Tippmann M98 Custom.

[breg]

I've had this argument, and well, it gets a little old and in the end you can't change the hype. Might as well just let him think what he wants to. But there is no way to tell people that the real factor in dealing with accuracy in the little alien micro chip implanted into my right iris...