wow... just amazing.

[Enos Shenk]

Why do i have a bad feeling about this and my work on carbines...

[adt501]

pro teams history of leading the way with new technologies? ummm, ok, to each his own

[The Action Figure]

im gettin 1 for sure

[rabidchihauhau]

adt501 - yes, our almost 15 year history of introducing new technologies to the industry:
PTP pioneered the entire concept of aftermarket gun bodies (starting with the VMX for VM68s); we introduced the world-renowned CAR68 military trainer, one of the first, if not the first, military simulator based on paintball guns; we introduced microregs, internally rifled barrels, the E-Mag is based on a PTP patent sold to AGD, we developed some of the first 'sear-tripper' electronics for blowback guns, first coiled remote lines, then the first coiled remotes rated to 3000 psi working pressure. A whole host of products for military and less-than-lethal applications. JPL has even consulted with us concerning the use of micro-regulators and high-pressure gas for use in in-system manuvering units.

A lot of the new concepts we've introduced over the years has not been credited to Pro-Team, but that doesn't change the fact that we very frequently do it first.

[G3PB]

The winning side will need pre-existing art. Anyone here been around long enough to remember Al Mollick? He was doing PGrips and EGrips in '97-'98......even if his stuff only half-assed worked, it's older than either one. A few months back, he said he didn't care about the DeadlyWind stuff but way back when, he said he had spoken to PTP about his frames....if he's still alive, he may be pissed, or he may not care. Then again, things may get interesting.......

[xXHavokXx]

Too much work. Too much thinking. Turn on, mow heads, turn off.

[rabidchihauhau]

G3,

the trick to gaining a valid patent is that you have to disclose at least one WORKING embodiment of the design.

[G3PB]

True enough. His did work, I saw it...and what I'm hearing from interested parties, there were others, as far back as '95.

[tony3]

Legal dispute a comin'? Sure sounds like it. I wish companies could just put stuff on the market and let patent stuff slide, but hey, you need to put food on the table and need to get as much money as you can. I completely understand.

[RRfireblade]

:looks at rrfireblade

WE WANT ANSWERS!!!

geez...???? ... um.... Fireblade?

Um.......yeah........I know what your thinkin'........sorry 'bout that. I think it was obvious why.

I still love you guys tho.

Ah....you know what I mean.

[Sac]

ok since nobody else will say it...

is this the hold up with Deadlywind and the hAir?

[Chronobreak]

i dont think theres going to be a direct answer to that, but if its not said that it isnt......

[thorn]

ok. lets get some things straight fireblade or whatever.

1. you are not yet making a mag version, yet it shows one in your sig.

2. how much will this cost? what makes your frame any better than the dw hairs?

3. none of our support (i think and hope im speaking for all of AO'ers) will go towards you for now because your highest priority is NOT for a mag frame, you are holding back a company from makinf more great mag products, and worst off all, this could be the last great chance for mags. u better come up with something better, faster, and cheaper, that comes out earlier than dw's, or none of our sympathy will go to you, because we are dedicated to our automags, not cockers.

again, i hope i am speaking for everyone on this forum. if u disagree with me, just post it.

[Blennidae]

Now this post TK made makes sense, regarding the hAir trigger.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1608017&postcount=31

[LaW]

ok. lets get some things straight fireblade or whatever.

1. you are not yet making a mag version, yet it shows one in your sig.

2. how much will this cost? what makes your frame any better than the dw hairs?

3. none of our support (i think and hope im speaking for all of AO'ers) will go towards you for now because your highest priority is NOT for a mag frame, you are holding back a company from makinf more great mag products, and worst off all, this could be the last great chance for mags. u better come up with something better, faster, and cheaper, that comes out earlier than dw's, or none of our sympathy will go to you, because we are dedicated to our automags, not cockers.

again, i hope i am speaking for everyone on this forum. if u disagree with me, just post it.

You sir are not speaking for me... I think you were pretty harsh with your comments, and its always a bad move to actually "speak" for a group when you have no idea what other people think, your not us.

The release of DW's is dependant on legal issues being resolved, we can make speculation as to whom the legal issues are with but come on I support any new technology mag or not. There is a chance that the hAir trigger NEVER gets released... Sure its easy to just take the stance that oh if its not for the mag it doesnt get our support.