Confirmed: Shockers available with "rebound" feature

[ilikePB]

Seems to me that bunkering with even a single headshot should be in the rules as a MAJOR infraction.

That's not really possible, when you bunker someone they tend to move, if they move their head you might hit them there accidentaly. I have shot people in the head while bunkering them and have recieved the same, I highly doubt very many people do it on purpose. It just can't be controlled the majority of the time and therefore should not be a rule.

[SlartyBartFast]

You realise that so far (touch wood) there hasn't been even a SINGLE blinding incident where the person shot was wearing goggles?

I don't question the safety of the goggles. They've been safe since we abandoned shop glasses.

I question the damage to soft-tissue we're expected to endure and the possible dangers of headshots.

Seems to me that despite paintball's safety record, there's a number of players reporting serious head injury. I've seen a ref pulled off-field in an ambulance due to a headshot.

One day these injuries might start hitting the statistics...

[SlartyBartFast]

That's not really possible, when you bunker someone they tend to move, if they move their head you might hit them there accidentaly. I have shot people in the head while bunkering them and have recieved the same, I highly doubt very many people do it on purpose. It just can't be controlled the majority of the time and therefore should not be a rule.

Couldn't disagree more. When I started playing, on a couple of fields it was a rule that if you were hit in the head BOTH players were eliminated (on one only the shooter was eliminated).

Sometimes a rule doesn't need to prove intent. Interference is a penalty in basketball regardless of whether you meant to do it or not and whether the other player ran into you or not. It's your responsibility.

In all fairness, I think that not surrendering after being bunkered should be a penalty. After all, your sorry backside was beat. You're just looking to rely on luck or cheat by arguing double elimination if your spinning around on the person bunkering you.

[manike]

Ok, so logically, if you've got 20 PBS in the air, you could be impacted 2 times in .1 seconds before your body flinches. Depending on how fast you move, it could be argued that there would be a fairly tight grouping of 3-5 impacts within a few inches of each other? This is assuming the player shooting keeps a steady hand as he's moving the trigger.

Also keep in mind a lot of players have "Trained" themselves not to flinch at all, so you could have multiple impacts. I recall seeing video from several tournaments of players being shot 5-10 times before they could get a gun in the air, and usually from point blank range as the guy gets bunkered.

I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, but it seems to me that it's a little dangerous out there lately.

-Tyger

Very few, people are achieving 20bps in play, even with cheater boards. I don't care what your LCD/Red Chrono/mom with a stop watch says, it's BS.

Accuracy of paintballs is such that unless being bunkered the shots are unlikely to group very closely.

I don't know of ANY player that wouldn't flinch if taking more than one or two shots to the head.

I have no real concern of a problem if taking 10 or 20 or even 100 shots in the goggles, unless the goggles themselves weren't worn properly.

If someone does that to you, call the police and have them imprisoned for assault with intent.

In all my tests I would have to reload my hopper and keep shooting to do anything remotely worth worrying about to a goggles mannequin. I did informal tests with a timmy set to bounce as much as possible and Reloader B so the rate of fire is on par with most realistic situations.

I've always believe some kind of head protection on the areas not covered by goggles should be mandatory.

[ilikePB]

Couldn't disagree more. When I started playing, on a couple of fields it was a rule that if you were hit in the head BOTH players were eliminated (on one only the shooter was eliminated).

Sometimes a rule doesn't need to prove intent. Interference is a penalty in basketball regardless of whether you meant to do it or not and whether the other player ran into you or not. It's your responsibility.

In all fairness, I think that not surrendering after being bunkered should be a penalty. After all, your sorry backside was beat. You're just looking to rely on luck or cheat by arguing double elimination if your spinning around on the person bunkering you.

Great, why don't you go tell that to the NPPL, PSP, or NXL. I'm sure they'll agree with you and implement this awesome idea.

P.S. That was sarcasm in case you didn't catch it.

[hitech]

The spine-less haphazard rules and enforcement.

And THAT is the bottom line.

[manike]

Sorry, rubbish.

It would be true if the paintballs were all travelling exactly the same path from a stable shooting platform. But they aren't. Paintballs aren't accurate, and the shooter is following the target.

EXACTLY! Proves my point that the balls are unlikely to impact in the same spot.

So when you get bunkered and the twib shoots a string with their legal electro at FA @ 15bps (at least NXL), you might be under the on-slaught for a given time and easily be hit multiple times.

Agreed, but the chances of this all happening in the same spot such that to bring in the question of safety or the goggles is as you put it 'rubbish'. :)

I don't question the safety of the goggles. They've been safe since we abandoned shop glasses

Err... then why are we arguing about that? That's what I am argueing about. It's what I've been argueing about all along.

I question the damage to soft-tissue we're expected to endure and the possible dangers of headshots.

Seems to me that despite paintball's safety record, there's a number of players reporting serious head injury. I've seen a ref pulled off-field in an ambulance due to a headshot.

One day these injuries might start hitting the statistics...

WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT!

I agree soft tissue should have a mandatory safety requirement. But there isn't a standard for one. I don't ever play without something protecting my head. I also tend to have a throat guard and a CUP!

You were questioning the goggle standards. Not the lack of standards. That's a totally different issue.

[ilikePB]

I don't know much about medical stuff so maybe someone can help me out on this one. I have been shot in the head more than once at pretty much point blank range and it hurt and blead, but that's it. What's the difference between me getting shot that close and not having to go to the hospital and others having a similar experience have to go to the hospital? I'm just not seeing the safety issue, I've been shot so many times at close range and never did it cross my mind that I might need to get medical attention. What am I missing?

[manike]

I don't know much about medical stuff so maybe someone can help me out on this one. I have been shot in the head more than once at pretty much point blank range and it hurt and blead, but that's it. What's the difference between me getting shot that close and not having to go to the hospital and others having a similar experience have to go to the hospital? I'm just not seeing the safety issue, I've been shot so many times at close range and never did it cross my mind that I might need to get medical attention. What am I missing?

Everyone takes, and reacts to impacts differently.

I do think people should have to wear a head covering of some sort, but it's not an insurance requirement and not seen as a safety threat yet, so they don't. It may happen in the future though.

[ilikePB]

Everyone takes, and reacts to impacts differently.

I do think people should have to wear a head covering of some sort, but it's not an insurance requirement and not seen as a safety threat yet, so they don't. It may happen in the future though.

I normally have buzzed hair, but I also normally wear a sandana, so that may help soften the impact some.

[teufelhunden]

I do think people should have to wear a head covering of some sort, but it's not an insurance requirement and not seen as a safety threat yet, so they don't. It may happen in the future though.

Everybody should wear a head covering or 5 not for safety, but for bounces

[hitech]

I've been shot so many times at close range and never did it cross my mind that I might need to get medical attention. What am I missing?

[GT]

Very few, people are achieving 20bps in play, even with cheater boards. I don't care what your LCD/Red Chrono/mom with a stop watch says, it's BS.

[Glickman]

just would like to point out you can easily turn it off, and if u ask for it, its a free sofware upgrade

sounds like just a fun shooting mode, like hybrid on emags

im getting it because:
1- its free, and it even includes new debounce features
2- it will just be fun to shoot at targets and wahtnot


also, its hard to get past 15 bps without some sort of bounce, which many dont notice, but its on ALL guns, debounce is supposed to minimize it, but its a electronic software trying to decipher mechanical movement

[Sac]

ok im not trying to call anyone a wuss or say being overshot is ok, but as a tournament player ive gotten used to it, i usually wont even notice being it an extra 4 or 5 times than i should, because its part of the game. i know 20 bps in the air is alot, but think about it, how accurate are your guys guns when shooting 20 bps? i know im not gonna hit my target with all 20 balls.