some people just dont understand..

[hitech]

Agreed, this cop probably gets paid pretty decent money to be accurate when firing a gun, so I say demote him as well.

I'd be willling to bet than NONE OF YOU (those without training) could have hit him with a single shot in the same situation. Stress stooting with a face full of paint. MUCH harder than you think.

[Evil Bob]

Self preservation is a natural instinct. Self preservation, based on the reaction of this cop, involved shooting the paintball kid. So shooting what your aiming at is top of the list of things to do.

Again, demote the cop. Make him pay for his own 9mms until he could qualify for a HS pistol team.

It certainly is a natural instinct until you realize that you might be mortally wounded, then things tend to shut down from there. Not alot of self preservation at the point when you think you're dead.

-Evil Bob

[Mosfet]

Self preservation is a natural instinct. Self preservation, based on the reaction of this cop, involved shooting the paintball kid. So shooting what your aiming at is top of the list of things to do.

Again, demote the cop. Make him pay for his own 9mms until he could qualify for a HS pistol team.

I've got an idea.

I shoot you in the face with my paintball marker. You WONT be wearing a mask.
Now. you've got 2 seconds to hit me with one shot of your marker.

[Skywalker]

Yes, but police officers are trained or should be trained for this kind of stuff. Anyway, I just hate cops b/c they never need a reason for what they do. And b/c I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time for some reason.

[teufelhunden]

First, you assume that the paint broke. I'd bet it didn't.. why?

1) Probably from decent range. You're gonna have trouble walking 20 feet from a cop and leveling a gun at his face.
2) Probably a BE POS 12g gun. Low velocity, because this schmuck doesn't actually play.
3) Garbage paint with three feet of shell.

So paint in the eyes isn't a big deal. Shock? Sure. As for one shot, again, if the cop only took one shot, unless he realized he was shooting at a kid with a paintball gun, the cop should be demoted. If you're shooting, you're shooting at a threat..

And shooting a threat is shooting to kill.

[Mosfet]

Cops are also trained to not just blindly fire if they can't see their target.
He's lucky he didn't accidentally shoot someone else, such as a child or its mother inside the house.
You do have one good point there that matches what I just said.
Cops are not supposed to shoot unless they can see and identify a threat.

His problem was not not hitting the person, but for firing his weapon.

[hitech]

So paint in the eyes isn't a big deal. Shock? Sure. As for one shot, again, if the cop only took one shot, unless he realized he was shooting at a kid with a paintball gun, the cop should be demoted. If you're shooting, you're shooting at a threat..

Do you have any experience stress shooting? If not, you have NO idea what is involved. Second, you have no idea what the details are. One shot (as the article made it sound) and the suspect "surrendered". The cop is not supposed to continue shooting at that point.

Bottom line, those of you claiming the cop failed to perform adequately have NO idea what it takes to do what your asking and NO idea of the situation. You shouldn't be calling for him to be disciplined when you have no idea...


Like I said before, whom ever thinks they could have done better step forward.

[Mosfet]

Thats definately not me. I'd probably have crapped my pants! :P

[teufelhunden]

Do you have any experience stress shooting? If not, you have NO idea what is involved. Second, you have no idea what the details are. One shot (as the article made it sound) and the suspect "surrendered". The cop is not supposed to continue shooting at that point.

Bottom line, those of you claiming the cop failed to perform adequately have NO idea what it takes to do what your asking and NO idea of the situation. You shouldn't be calling for him to be disciplined when you have no idea...


Like I said before, whom ever thinks they could have done better step forward.

Stress shooting to the point where my life was on the line? Negative. Stress shooting with whatever those things are called... they shoot paint but use a real powered down charge.. yeah.. only for a bit though, apparently they're expensive. Shooting was harder, but not to the point where I was missing a body sized target at 20 yards.


Which brings up another point... police are always shooting under "stress shooting" situations. Why would this situation be any different? Every day I read about a police shooting where the suspect got shot..

[Carbon]

Bottom line, those of you claiming the cop failed to perform adequately have NO idea what it takes to do what your asking and NO idea of the situation. You shouldn't be calling for him to be disciplined when you have no idea

exactly!

[SlartyBartFast]

Self preservation is a natural instinct. Self preservation, based on the reaction of this cop, involved shooting the paintball kid. So shooting what your aiming at is top of the list of things to do.

Again, demote the cop. Make him pay for his own 9mms until he could qualify for a HS pistol team.

All right then. A challenge for all the Jerks who think the cop was incompetent.

Without wearing a mask, allow someone to shoot you in the face. Then see how well you can return fire.

What a bunch of s.

If that cop didn't first see the paintball gun and identify it as that, imagine his shock at being hit. He probably assumed it was a real firearm or that his life was in danger.

Put yourself in the position of someone not playing paintball. THey hear a bang, followed by pain, and if they grab where they were hit, it's wet. Think you slow down after every ounce of adreniline is shooting through your body to think, "hey, it might not have been a real gun. let's see if it was just paint."

Seems to me he has every right to try and defend himself.

What do you jerks think he should have done? Just stood there and ask to be hit and killed (for all he knew).

[SlartyBartFast]

Which brings up another point... police are always shooting under "stress shooting" situations. Why would this situation be any different? Every day I read about a police shooting where the suspect got shot..

There's stress shooting: "There's a known danger that you combating." You have time to think, asses, and react.
And stress shooting: "WHO THE F!!! SHOT ME? AM I BLEEDING? NEXT SHOT AND I MIGHT BE DEAD!" Act now, or leave in a body bag.

Everyone here would probably mess their pants if they were quietly walking home one evening and received a paintball to the side of the head without any warning.

[Pickle]

DevilDog (teufelhunden),

I am going to keep this simple for you as you apparently need it. I make it a point not to flame on forums because for the most part it is pointless. However, I think you need to learn something. This will be my only post on the subject so listen carefully youngin.

If you are the type of person that is going into the military (as you have stated in other threads) may God have mercy on our other servicemen. What are you going to do when you make Sgt.? And you will make sergeant because you already show great promise under the Peter Principle theory. Are you going to demote those under you when they fail to hit their enemy during a firefight? Probably. You are going to be the Captain Sobel (re: Band of Brothers) of some hapless and unfortunate unit.

Unless you have been in a stress situation that required you to shoot or have been trained for such, I suggest you keep your uninformed and juvenile mouth closed. You may ask questions, in fact they are encouraged because that is the path to enlightment and education. However, you offering opinions or advice at an expert level is like Rosie O'Donnel trying to teach someone how to lose weight. Neither of you are qualified.

Your comments are inflamatory and extremely disrespectful to law enforcement everywhere. At least the other moronic poster that shared your viewpoints was honest enough to admit that he does not like law enforcement. Honesty I can respect. Self-exploitive grandstanding I can not. I have seen other posts of yours that travel along the same line of thinking and it is time that your train is derailed.

The US Supreme court has ruled that police officers make decisions based on what they know at the time. What did he know? He knew he was off duty, he knew he was outside of his home at night and he knew he was shot by something in the face. What gives you the right or luxury to operate outiside of these boundaries. Departments allow deadly force to be used to be used against a suspect with pepperspray. This is definitely more than pepperspray. Ever try shooting someone with pepperspray in your face?

When you have the expertise, the training, the knowledge or even when they finally do drop, please come back and offer opinions. Until then close the pie hole!

Also, you should reconsider your screen name. You haven't deserved it. My great grandfather who was at Belleau Woods did.

[Eagle]

All right folks listen up. I'm active duty Navy. I;m getting out in a few months and intend to join my home town police force. This incedent took place at night, read-it was dark out. This guy was just shot, totally un-aware, in the face. He's in great pain and got some sort of fliud on his face that he naturally assumes is blood. We have no idea what other distractions were going on in the area such random lights passing or noises. The assailent was presumably at a medium range (I doubt he was dumb enough to do it at point blank range for fear of getting cought). This was a high stress situation and it is to be expected that at least some of the cops shots would miss. I'm a pretty good shot with the both the Barreta M92 and Glock G26 9MM pistols. I'm even better with the M16, and damn near expert with the M14. But, I've done stress shoots; you're breathing like you just sprinted half a mile, times running out, your vision is sometimes obscured, the inscructors are throwing crap at you, tugging at your clothing, and you have a whole crowd of people screaming everything under the sun at you. Acuracy goes straight to hell.

As for cops not needing a reason for what they do? Haven't you ever heard of 'just cause'? How about the 'Rules of Deadly Force'?

[Lumberjack]

Obviously there are no Lifeguards at the gene pool.

The kid who shot the cop was a fool for even thinking of doing something as stupid as what he did. The cop responded as he was trained to do. The kid is just lucky the cop was having an off day. We need to be more upset about the idiot with the paintball gun. More negative press is the last thing we need.