Pic Of The New Dm5 ***no Joke***

[No sKiLLz]

Madmolly - DYE didn't make squat. The Matrix (I said MATRIX so don't even THINK about chiming in with chicken or the egg comments) spool valve design was made by Airtech Designs which sold rights to Gen-E who sold rights to DYE. Then DYE bought Eggi, the guy who designed and made the boards and eye systems for the NYX matrix, and the Cobra Mamba Angels Dynasty used before that. They BOUGHT the gun, they didn't MAKE anything except for the body that everyone always complains about and the lousy regs and fuse bolt. Decent gun nonetheless. And you are very correct in saying that those who say the DM4 suck are very pathetic.

WC keep - I have always said I would rather be mowing people with an ugly gun than holding a pretty one in the air as I walk off the field. Second, if the Matrix inherently runs away from every person who uses it, how does it pass the refs who chrono players before they walk onto the fields at NPPL? That's just a bad generalization. Any gun can be bounced or debounced at the will of the person setting it up.

[matmc89]

thats horrible

[shadowfalcon78]

holy shiznit-that actually looks pretty nice.

[madmolly]

No Skills

Well I agree that dye did not come up with the founding technology. The DM4 is a huge jump over the matrix. The fuse bolt is a work of art compared to the 8 different pieces thrown together on a trix. Don't get me wrong I keep a trix in the bag but it is behind my Dm4. The spool valve technology is not dyes and I was the type of guy that would look at people using dye stuff and be disgusted. But this year I tried literally every marker made. I bought them all. Every brand of timmy even. And the best one performance wise and maintenance wise. The DM4. Am I going to run out and Buy a DM5. Hell no. I have myself on the dealer list to get one asap. But that is just going to be sold to the people that have to have the new thing. I have two DM4s and I might pick up an 05 speed just for fun.

[No sKiLLz]

Well I agree that dye did not come up with the founding technology. The DM4 is a huge jump over the matrix. The fuse bolt is a work of art compared to the 8 different pieces thrown together on a trix. Don't get me wrong I keep a trix in the bag but it is behind my Dm4. The spool valve technology is not dyes and I was the type of guy that would look at people using dye stuff and be disgusted. But this year I tried literally every marker made. I bought them all. Every brand of timmy even. And the best one performance wise and maintenance wise. The DM4. Am I going to run out and Buy a DM5. Hell no. I have myself on the dealer list to get one asap. But that is just going to be sold to the people that have to have the new thing. I have two DM4s and I might pick up an 05 speed just for fun.

Delrin bolts don't need to be lubed as much as the fuse bolt. That thing is junk. It's just typical DYE stuff. Like you said yourself you're not a fan of DYE and I'm pretty sure it's the same reason for everyone. It's a lot of hype and not a lot of quality engineering. If the one piece bolt idea was approached by REAL airsmiths, they would have put O-rings between the threaded sections so people wouldn't run into problems with sections becoming unthreaded during gameplay as well as making it easier to disassemble. They also could have changed the size of the air chamber for the sail like Evolve did to make it more gas efficient. I could go on but I think you get the point.

Bad engineering on flashy products is a DYE trademark. I do like their C4 pants and gloves but that's about it. Trying to be flashy with the design of the DM4 body resulted in a sub standard LPR that can't be changed, eyes that are more difficult to access, and a feedneck that will perpetually be a mid rise. Molly this isn't a personal attack, this is just devil's advocate from someone who has moved a lot of DM4's. I think it's a great gun, but I think everything that is great about it came before DYE.

[Automaggin2]

Dye has produced the best gun on the market. Simple maintenance. Take about 10 minutes to completely tear apart and regrease.

HAHAHAHA I'm sure half the people here will agree that teching a DM4 is no easy task


It takes 10 minutes to disassamble, yes, but when they go down, it could take alot longer then 10 minutes to fix them

[C_22]

[magman007]

HAHAHAHA I'm sure half the people here will agree that teching a DM4 is no easy task
It takes 10 minutes to disassamble, yes, but when they go down, it could take alot longer then 10 minutes to fix them

Not true Colin, remember that tech class pat and i took? we learned hw to fix every inch of the dm4, within about 20 minutes, down to the solenoid. it was quite easy.


No Skillz, now, i usually agree with you on matricies, but one thing you said really bothered me. the part about the fuse bolt unthreading during play. The thing is, unless the bakc plug starts comming un done, the fuse bolt litterally cannot come apart during play. the way the beercan is held agains tthe front of the gun, and the way the back plug is screwed in, then the bolt cannot come unscrewed, unless done by the user himself. Or unless the user didnt assemble the bolt before re insertion.

Also, you may remember that i was a huge fan of my toxic trix, it was amazing ine very way. well the dm4 to me, was just that much more. The dm4 is a step above the regular trix, and the dm5 will be a step above a dm4. maybe not a huge leap, but im sure it will be a step above.

[No sKiLLz]

No Skillz, now, i usually agree with you on matricies, but one thing you said really bothered me. the part about the fuse bolt unthreading during play. The thing is, unless the bakc plug starts comming un done, the fuse bolt litterally cannot come apart during play. the way the beercan is held agains tthe front of the gun, and the way the back plug is screwed in, then the bolt cannot come unscrewed, unless done by the user himself. Or unless the user didnt assemble the bolt before re insertion.

Also, you may remember that i was a huge fan of my toxic trix, it was amazing ine very way. well the dm4 to me, was just that much more. The dm4 is a step above the regular trix, and the dm5 will be a step above a dm4. maybe not a huge leap, but im sure it will be a step above.

It can and does unthread. More to do with user error, some of it to do with DYE's "precision" machining", but it only has to be slightly loose to make the gun near inoperable.

[madmolly]

Threading

I am with the other guy No Skills. If the bolt unthreads it is due to operator error. YOu did not have the back piece in far enough. There is not enough room inside the DM4 for the bolt to unthread. So either you heard that and are repeating it or you are just throwing fire at it. Can't happen unless user error happens.

[madmolly]

Jeez

Now I read your user error part. If it is user error that is not DYE's fault. Make something idiot proof and the world creates a better idiot.

[No sKiLLz]

Oh, Ok. I guess I don't know what I'm talking about then.