liitle brat

[Ellomdian]

This is really simple...

Legalities of the situation prohibit anyone under the age of 18 from purchasing an airgun. Period. Minors cannot solely sign waivers unless they have been emancipated. Period. And believe it or not, your age might not directally imply your personal maturity level (some of my 20's something friends are really immature at times,) but if your 16, even if you can drive, YOU ARE NOT A LEGAL ADULT.

It really sucks sometimes to have your parent's ok anything like this you want to do. But the rules are there for a reason.

And just remember - thank god our country STILL allows us to hold the parents responsable for their kids actions, reguardless of waivers signed or not. If the kid causes trouble, kindly remind the idiot who brought him that he is LEGALLY responsible for their actions, both on and off the field.

Last I checked, directally disobeying a posted field rule and causing injury was assult, plain and simple. Wonder how quick they'll leave next time...

[MonsterMag]

At my friend a guy I know that is a very good player bunkered a a newbie and the newb came of the field and said that he cant do that and he comes and changes the rules, also that he hit him before he bunkered him and didnt go Out , when the reffed checked him , So he walked off started to cuss at my friend , THEN he had the nerve to go back in the game and start playin again , When the game was over , he started swearing more and running his mouth , then a players father comes to get him and he told him to watch his mouth because he didnt want his kids to hear him cuss. so they started arguing , they we both buff guys , I thought i might have to turn into the hulk to hold them back

The newbie hasnt come back sence , its been like 2 months

[teufelhunden]

Legalities of the situation prohibit anyone under the age of 18 from purchasing an airgun. Period.

Yeah, right



Because when I was 16 I didn't have some plastic I could use online, nor did I not have a paypal account tied to my bank account that I could use online either.

[slade]

nor did I not have a paypal account tied to my bank account that I could use online either.

hmm, i was told i couldnt do that until i was 18... damn bank oh well, my dad made a bank for paypal that is essentially mine.

[Night$tryker]

If i were one of the people that the kid starting shooting at when my mask was off he would of been running for his life.

[thorn]

the real newbs are the ones who get angry when theyre shot, make fun of other peoples guns, cuss, etc. i think when you truly become an experienced player is when you get bunkered, and walk off the field trying to figure out where YOU messed up, and then tell the guy who bunkered you "nice shot". Its part of the game. No pain, no game. I get mad sometimes when im shot, but then i realize it is 100%my fault when im shot. i just dont like it when people talk big and have no game. so, if youget bunkered, dude, its totally your fault. you should have stopped him.

[teufelhunden]

hmm, i was told i couldnt do that until i was 18... damn bank oh well, my dad made a bank for paypal that is essentially mine.

I've had my own account since I was 14. 100% mine. No cosign, no custodian, nothing. Mine. A real one, not one of those junior saver thingies.

[slade]

I've had my own account since I was 14. 100% mine. No cosign, no custodian, nothing. Mine. A real one, not one of those junior saver thingies.

you suck... where do you live? i cant get my own bank account, and i cant even link a paypal account to my/my dads account.

[Lethargic]

By the same token, its not like the adults are guaranteed to be mature about anything either... The worst injuries I have ever taken paintballing were the direct results of the actions of adults, and I don't mean 18 year olds.

When I played NPPL, we were scrimmaging a team on our airball field. We invited them out, and proceeded to run drills, crimmages, 2v3, etc. Just a friendly practice between a couple teams. Anywho, one of the 7 man scrimmages, we wiped the floor with them. I bunkered 2 guys, (I'm a front guy) and we cleared the field. Everything was hunky dorry. We picked up pods, everyone turned off markers/put on condoms, and my captain gave us the "masks off" call. (there were no nearby fields and netting was around us)

I take off my mask and right afterwards somebody decides to start unloading paint into my back/neck area. I of course can't turn around, so I put my mask on and turn around, being shot all teh while. One of my teammates tackles the guy and starts just beating the crap out of him (my teammate had no mask, but he was trying to protect me.) Anyways, we take the guys marker, call the cops, and subdue him. At this point, I've been shot between 40 and 50 times, and the guy is still cursing and threatening my life. Gory details aside, a 30+ year old man decided to try and kill me with a paintball marker because I "overshot" his friend/teammate.

Leave the young kids alone. They are just dumb. Its the adults with anger management problems and a perchance for violence that you really have to look out for...

[oldsoldier]

My under 16 post was not about maturity. It is about being able to leave when asked to. The case in this thread illustrates the point.
Besides, LEGALLY, they can probably limit anyone under 18 onsite without a guardian. After all, somone has to be responsible for the child, right? And, you are not considered an adult until you are 18. Not to say people much older act irresponsibly, and people younger may act more mature at times. But, we are discussing the legal issue of it, not the perception.
Someone else illustrated another valid point; what if a 14 y/o got dropped off there by his parnets? Now, say this kid somehow got hurt...unable to talk. Say he took a header into a tree. Now, what if he doesnt have ID? Ok, we go to the waivers. Hm...you would have to sift through lets say 30-40 waivers. Now, who is responsible for this childs health? He has to go to the hospital. Ok, he left a home phone #. You call that, Johnny's parents are out for the day. Now, you are stuck with this poor kid, going to a hospital, and his parents have no clue. Not only that...what are you gonna tell his parents when they show up at 4? Especially if he's been in the hospital since 10? See where I am going with this?
Granted, this may be an extreme case. But, sometimes it only takes one bad thing to close a field. A lot of town boards look for that one excuse to shutr it down. THAT is why I think ALL kids should have some sort of guardian there. The field isnt running a babysitting service.

[gc82000]

Some ofyou do see that I was really talking about the immature father. I know there are some really mature teens, hell I cheated of themin high school. J/K

The little brat of my story was the dad. He could not take the blame for his own faults and resulted to violence when he was confronted by the full brunt of reality. The child is not at total fault for his actions, he obvioulsy learned the behavior from his father.

[oldsoldier]

Dad can be sued though. The kid cant. Taking someones money away (legally ) will hurt much more than a smack in the face. Besdies...you cant argue a fine. The winner of a fight is usually up for contention though...

[AclowN]

the real newbs are the ones who get angry when theyre shot, make fun of other peoples guns, cuss, etc. i think when you truly become an experienced player is when you get bunkered, and walk off the field trying to figure out where YOU messed up, and then tell the guy who bunkered you "nice shot". Its part of the game. No pain, no game. I get mad sometimes when im shot, but then i realize it is 100%my fault when im shot. i just dont like it when people talk big and have no game. so, if youget bunkered, dude, its totally your fault. you should have stopped him.

hrmmm, alot of newbies playing this sport professionally then

[peewee]

I have been doinked twice. Once as a player & once as a ref.

As a player I was playing indoor at the field I worked at for a couple years. I had the night off & was playing against a bunch of college kids that were a bit cocky. I ended up shooting one of them on the ear from about 12 feet away (220 fps field speed) . He got pissed & butt stroked me with his gun. He realized his error very quickly..... Sadly I was asked to leave the field that night.

The next was kind of sneaky...
As a ref I ran into a team that felt that they were not getting a fair shake in a tourny & decided to take it out on the refs. (They kept getting caught cheating) After the third game in they started shooting refs point blank on the break. I got shot from about 3 inches on my leg. First time we thought was an accident but after they did it to another ref we caught on & they were asked to leave. Me & the other guy have matching scars on our legs to this day.

We call those type Dads that get out of hand around here baseball dads.

[slade]

As a player I was playing indoor at the field I worked at for a couple years. I had the night off & was playing against a bunch of college kids that were a bit cocky. I ended up shooting one of them on the ear from about 12 feet away (220 fps field speed) . He got pissed & butt stroked me with his gun. He realized his error very quickly..... Sadly I was asked to leave the field that night.

wait, you were asked to leave the field because you shot someone legally in the game and he hit you with his gun?