A quick poll about cheaters

[Duzzy]

honestly, i dont see the big problem with cheating

cheating is one way of getting ahead. just like you'd never try to cheat in a pick-up basketball game, you'd prolly never try to cheat in a rec ball game.

in a tournie, though, its acceptable, IMHO, to cheat. its just like any other sport. when you cheat, you know there is a consequence IF you get caught. if you get caught, then you have to face that conesquence. if you don't then props to you.

i dont know why everyone gets all bent outta shape about cheating and such when it happens and is ACCEPTED in every other sport. its a part of the game. sometimes intentional, sometimes not--either way, part of the game


thats the reason for my position. if you're playing rec, you shouldn't be cheating. its not worth it.
if its a tourny, im going to try to get the ref to catch you, but im not MAD if he didnt and you got away with it

When you allow "cheating as long as you don't get caught" you neglect the skill part of any game. The Pro Players are very talented, I have seen them and I am very impressed with what they can do. However, some people like to play with nothing other than heart, skill, and a love of the game, and personally if I had the money I would rather sponsor them than anyone else. What you are saying is like saying that it is ok for the government to take more tax money than legislation allows as long as they don't get caught. This is not a related example, but it is "cheating" (purposefully breaking a rule to gain an unfair advantage) and I think everyone would be mad. Corporate executives have "cheated" and stolen and are you going to tell me that you approve of this as long as they don't get caught? Some people work hard to get where they are, just like others work hard for their money and they don't want their accomplishments wasted because someone else is greedy.

Another thing about cheating is that IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE OTHER PLAYER. It is saying that I do not respect your skill, and to prove it I am going to wipe away your accomplishment and pretend it never happened. If someone has the skill to mark you, then you should acknowledge that skill by being honest and walking off the field, and even say nice shot after the game.

[tony3]

Wiping is the one of the stupidest things you can do in a tourney. Only time to wipe is if you have slim to none chance of getting caught. 3 for 1 penalties suck. However, playing on is a 1 for 1, not as much of a loss.

Cheating, imo, not a big deal. It happens way less then you would think. The tourney I played today if there was a doubt of you getting hit refs were all over you. People need to stop getting bent out of shape about wiping. They act like its the end of the world. Today in the tourney, I don' think I shot any player on the other team less then 3 times when I shot them, its hard to wipe 3 hits.

[Xyxyll]

I think #3's a good choice, but to tell you the truth, if I had a field and discovered that a certain player was cheating, they'd be off the field for the day... maybe even forever. Cheating has become too common nowadays simply because the "No Cheating" rules are never enforced.

[Lohman446]

My personal opinion on the whining in this thread about cheating... I hate it when I hear a player yell "Check his hopper ref I know I got him, check him more check him check him check him" when the ref is already there and has looked. Everyone seems to think they have magic eyes that can tell hits from across field and everyone they play against wipes etc. I think there is a lot less cheating then AO indicates, and a lot of people who "witness" all this cheatin frankly don't know what they are talking about.

[BlackWeenie]

When you allow "cheating as long as you don't get caught" you neglect the skill part of any game.

all pros in every sport have cheated at one point or another in their career. does that make them suck? no. theyre trying to get a competitive edge. cheating is part of every sport and always will be, the thing pb should be concerned about is guns that have velocity cheats (pretty much same deal as with ramping, etc. but the velocity is increased during the game) because this could actually hurt someone. getting ripped 10 times in the gogs is not going to break them (because they are designed to take a beating), but getting shot 10 times in the gogs at 350 fps is a different story.

[t33kyboy]

all pros in every sport have cheated at one point or another in their career. does that make them suck?

Yes. When you need to CHEAT to win, then you suck.

[-=Squid=-]

My personal opinion on the whining in this thread about cheating... I hate it when I hear a player yell "Check his hopper ref I know I got him, check him more check him check him check him" when the ref is already there and has looked. Everyone seems to think they have magic eyes that can tell hits from across field and everyone they play against wipes etc. I think there is a lot less cheating then AO indicates, and a lot of people who "witness" all this cheatin frankly don't know what they are talking about.

We have a winner.

[magmanl337]

My personal opinion on the whining in this thread about cheating... I hate it when I hear a player yell "Check his hopper ref I know I got him, check him more check him check him check him" when the ref is already there and has looked. Everyone seems to think they have magic eyes that can tell hits from across field and everyone they play against wipes etc. I think there is a lot less cheating then AO indicates, and a lot of people who "witness" all this cheatin frankly don't know what they are talking about.

I agree. Honestly, you should have to get some sort of liscense to call for paint checks, makes my job that much easier, hehee.

[Duzzy]

I think I said (know I said) that Pros have a lot of skill but that doesn't excuse cheating.

i dont know why everyone gets all bent outta shape about cheating and such when it happens and is ACCEPTED in every other sport. its a part of the game. sometimes intentional, sometimes not--either way, part of the game

This is a late response I know, but the fact that everyone in every sport cheats does not make it right. When the majority decides morality you have mob rules, and those don't work for some odd reason.

I am going to say a few more things before I get off my soapbox.

1. When the majority are insane the sane go to the mental hospital.

2. Me and integrity apparently have to go on vacation for a while.

3. Everyone cheats at some point in their life, I don't think I have in paintball, but I have in school a few times. I am not proud of it, and doing it habitually is not something that "everyone" does.

4. When people are done playing with me every game this is what I want to hear...

"He sucks at paintball, it's a good thing he plays with a pump because he wastes 50 rouns hitting nothing instead of a case every game, but he has integrity and is not a sore loser."

Maybe not the first part but as long as people say the last part I don't care if I ever win, because winning comes and goes, once integrity is lost it is never completely regained.

5. This may be putting a neon sign in front of blind people but I think it is important...

Deserve Victory

Don't just get it, or earn it (if you cheat enough you could theoretically earn it by the sheer amount of work you do to cheat and not get caught), DESERVE IT.

[B.A.M.]

#3 so every one will know he cheats and so he wont be trusted cuz thats the most important thing to have

[No sKiLLz]

If someone has to cheat to beat you, you've already won.

[bleachit]

I shoot bright *** yellow paint with yellow/pink shell - i can track my ball flight really well and, I'm sorry, but if I just squeezed out 10-15 rounds while you unwittengly stuck your torso out from behind a bunker and my own eyes saw at least 5 that tracked to your body AND now all of a sudden you dissappear behind the barricade for while or plain old run off - CHEATER! and you will pay dearly in the form of bruises.

I love Yellow fill, I shoot it with a green shell mostly... but I can still track the balls. I usually just call the people out when I see the paint track to them like that, or ask them to check themselves.. then again, I only play rec ball.

[Meph]

You can scream "logic, please" all you want.. because you fail to see it.

Okay then I'll break it down very easy like for you.


If Cheating = Violation of Rule(s)
And if Wiping = Violation of Rule
Then conclusion to this is...

Wiping = Cheating.


Period.


People who argue otherwise are just attempting to validate any excuse for violating the rules of the game. Usually people who cheat themselves!

[Torbo]

the 2 biggest points of cheating in pball are gun cheats and wiping/playing on.

as far as gun cheats, i couldnt care less if people shoot full auto guns or ramping. Mostly because so many people do it, im pretty used to playing against ramping guns. If its obvious velocity ramping, ill call them on it. just bps isnt a big deal anymore.

Wiping/playing on in a tourney: ill be yelling at the refs to take care of that. After the game ill let the refs know too. Also, if i have a chance, ill shoot the piss out of that player, and his team too.

i usually tell everyone i see too. Like if a team we play wipes against us, blatently, everyone we talk to at the tournament hears about it.

[Chris42050]

I fail to see the point of playing paintball if cheating is accepted. The point is to shoot the other team until they are all dead. If I shoot people and they never become dead, why am I even bothering to play. It makes a fun game pointless.