new WDP gun

[Leader of Men]

Wow, I like the look of that gun... Wonder how well that gun will preform on the field...

[firebanex]

yeah that means LCDs will be very very cheap. meaning i can actualy afford one.

[No sKiLLz]

Shoot an 04 Speed and then an 05 right afterwards. The difference is phenomenal. It's too bad WDP is gay, and their sales reps know it.

[Carbon]

On a side note, maybe calling them "guns" forces everyone to treat them with more respect then they would if everyone called them "markers."

word. in which case im gonna start calling them "eyeball exploders"

[SSMercury]

paintball markers dont fire at high velocities (relatively speaking) and certainly dont have a flat trajectory. and although gun is not a "bad" word, i for one would like to avoid the militaristic image of paintball.

Well, "high" is a relative term. I call 190 miles per hour "high" though. And you can't have a flat trajectory of something that is not traveling straight towards or awway from the center of mass of the earth, because gravity pulls it down, whether it moves at a human's walking speed, or the speed of light, making it curved.

As for terminology, I personally think it all depends on when people started playing. Way back when I first started playing, the term "paintmarker" was not a synonym for "paintgun". Believe me, after taking a 3 year break, I was quite confused when I heard people saying soandso marker this and soandso marker that. It took me a couple months to realize they were speaking of paintguns. Of course, I probably could ASKED, but that's too much trouble,

And, for the record, if "gun" is making you uncomfortable, then there has to be something associated with it, that makes it a "bad" word.

I think I'll stop there.

[SSMercury]

On a side note, maybe calling them "guns" forces everyone to treat them with more respect then they would if everyone called them "markers."

And my mother disliked it whenever I pointed a paintgun at one of our cats, despite my telling her that it literally CAN'T shoot when an air source is not attached. (spyder at the time, there is no sealed volume within the gun with no tank attached capable of holding a pressure greater than standard atmospheric).

So, there is good and bad points to calling them guns.

Which leads me to my next point. The way I have been referring to things over the last 11 years is:

firearm-chemical reaction based propellant projectiles, usually metal. Various divisions, but irrelevant to this discussion. Usually restricted.
airgun-uses compressed gases, of which air is one. Less restricted.
paintgun-subgroup of airguns. I'm not aware of any laws against owning them, they're pretty safe, unlike pellet guns, another group. (Yes, pellet guns are not likely to kill someone, but they're not as safe as paintguns).

"paintmarker" does not enter into this. I do not recall ever, ever hearing "ref, I marked him", it's "ref, I shot him".

I am not exactly in favor of militarism in paintball, but neither am I much in favor of making it all nice and politically correct. There's plenty more in the world that needs some good PC'ness, and paintball isn't one of them.

[FSU_Paintball]

FSU: You have a good point, but NPS doesn't say that every time a new timmy comes out, all previous ones suck. WDP basically does that: they talk about how much better the new models are than the old, rather than just talking about how good the new models are - which is a bit rediculous, since they're still producing and trying to sell the slightly older models. How many people will hold off buying that '05 Speed now because they know that resale is going to go sliding down after the G7 is released, and instead go with some other type of gun?
NPS, on the other hand, releases a slew of markers at once that are all similar in specifications - for example, all the 2k4 body intimidators (Alias, ND, Dark, A-Bomb, RL, etc) are pretty much identical, with the only notable difference being milling. You could say that there are three tiers of Intimidators (Classic, 2k2, and 2k4), whereas each Angel is slightly better than its predecessor.

You also have a point, but I disagree with some of it.

WDP has the most ridiculous hype machine in the business, and everyone knows it. When I see them crowing about their newest marker, it appears to me that they're overhyping the advances more than they're dissing their older models. Everyone knows the slightly outdated angels are *nearly* as good as the newer ones.

Also, 05 Speed prices won't go down... like I said, they've got 2 lines of markers, midrange and high-end... the Speed is their midrange, and will stay at $995, while the G7 will cost about $1400. I don't think that'll cause Speed resale to fall... but it will cause A4 prices to tank. Which is expected. The A4 is last year's marker; the Speed is this year's'.

[SlartyBartFast]

And my mother disliked it whenever I pointed a paintgun at one of our cats, despite my telling her that it literally CAN'T shoot when an air source is not attached. (spyder at the time, there is no sealed volume within the gun with no tank attached capable of holding a pressure greater than standard atmospheric).

So, there is good and bad points to calling them guns.

Simple safety precaution: Never point at anything you don't intend to shoot.

With the logic that a paintgun/airgun can't shoot without an air source, one day you'll pick up a gun that keeps some residual pressure and shoot the cat thinking it's safe. Or, absent mindedly point and shoot with an airgun that has an airsource attached.

If you NEVER point a gun at non-targets, you'll NEVER have an "accident".

[tru_flip56]

No sKiLLz Shoot an 04 Speed and then an 05 right afterwards. The difference is phenomenal. It's too bad WDP is gay, and their sales reps know it.

what?!?!?!? shuuuut up.....WDP is one of the top companies and you know it....they make amazing products...

[gc82000]

I will take one to go.

[Doorman]

According to WDP they will be using enhanced eye logic for the G7.

The software used in this marker will be significantly faster than even the pro-Only 3.7 (current Flys use AF 3.5) due to improvements in the eyes and the programming that controls them.

To me this sounds like some overzealous hype, but then again I don't understand the eye logic used. I understand the basics of the eye principle, both break beam and reflective. I also understand how the break beam can be faster than the reflective due to the way it works. But what I can't understand is how the programming that controls the eyes is supposed to improve the marker.

Either the ball is in the breech or it isn't. If it isn't in the breech then the only way to get it in there is with the loader. To me this means that the thing holding back the ROF of the marker is the ball loader speed and not the eye programming.

Can someone please explain this to me?

Thanks,

Rob

[slade]

doorman - welcome to AO! i think what they mean is that they code used to operate the eyes will run faster and get a reading of whether or not the ball is there faster, thereby allowing the marker to fire sooner.

[Athius]

To everyone whining about how WDP releases new guns "SOOO often":

They've got 2 lines of guns, midrange (speed) and high-end (G7).

They release a new version of these guns about once a year.

Midrange: The original speed stuck around for nearly 2 years. Then they released the 05 Speed.

High-end: IR3 was around for a year. A4 was around for a year (people *****ed about the eye thing, so they also released a version with eyes). Now the G7 is coming.

Seems perfectly normal to me. MANY manufacturers release new versions of their guns every year. In fact, look at Dye... they're doing the exact same thing with the Matrix.

Look at Empire. 2k2 Timmies, then the Alias/Empire/etc, now the new Lasoya.

Look at Smart Parts. Released the shocker, then the Nerve a year later.

Look at freaking Kingman.... now THERE's a company who releases a lot of guns.

WDP is NOT doing anything unusual. I don't see what everyone is *****ing about.

That is were AGD fails they rarely come out with something new. Hell they never have done a diferent gun just the same design.

[slade]

That is were AGD fails they rarely come out with something new. Hell they never have done a diferent gun just the same design.

*ahem* more than half of the companies only have one basic design... its just that AGD doesnt have model years, or new markers with slight (or no) changes and different milling.

[Athius]

*ahem* more than half of the companies only have one basic design... its just that AGD doesnt have model years, or new markers with slight (or no) changes and different milling.

Yes i know but people love to see new stuff even if it is the same thing. That is the business of every product of the world for example cars most of the times they sell you the same car but with a different body kit.