pop-up barrel

[Rokudon]

slarty, you're not being your usual knowlegable self... but they run different systems. the Z-Body relies on a nubbin to apply backspin. the hop-up in the ws-66 is integrated along the barrel, so it is not like the Z-body in that manner. VFX_fenix, very nicely done on all the backspin barrel/bodies. personally, if wasensor made their barrel in other threads... they'd make quite a good profit...IMO (esp to the pumpers if they acctually are accurate)

[VFX_Fenix]

I should also qualify that the Hop-Up barrel is a clamped barrel (threadless) for ease of production because it's practically impossible to have threads line up 100% of the time on every gun that can take that threading.

[Bob_da_Splatman]

Problem is that you need to use a very big bore barrel for it to work. Bye-bye efficiency.

Ha Ha mags efficient ........

Two words: AIR HOG......and no I'm not talkin' 'bout the toy plane.


Any body got a pic of the inside of the barrel ....or diagram ....either will work.

[VFX_Fenix]

http://www.warsensor.com/product/product-66-sr.htm

Note: the image of the barrel in this picture is inverted (upside down), their webmaster/graphics guru musta been asleep on the job and no one bothered to proof the stuff before they went to print.

[Rokudon]

good point too about the barrel lining up... then they should make an adaptor for their hop up barrel to a standard threading!

[SlartyBartFast]

good point too about the barrel lining up... then they should make an adaptor for their hop up barrel to a standard threading!

Well, that's the problem with these barrels and why they're not great for paintball.

Shooting and far away targets with a flatline the balls will get there but not break. It'll keep the noobs down, but experienced players won't fall for it. At intermediate ranges, as long as you keep the marker vertical, the flat trajectory will help if you're too poor a judge of distance to compensate.

Then the HUGE disadvantage is if you tilt your marker by any amount, you get a wild hook or slice.

[VFX_Fenix]

good point too about the barrel lining up... then they should make an adaptor for their hop up barrel to a standard threading!

Why should they? The barrel is propritary to their guns and that's one more piece they'd have to make if they wanted to put a threaded reciever on the WSXX serries of guns. The barrel is the way it is for a reason, not to sell to the masses, but simply to provide a reliable method of alligning the hop-up grooves properly.

Well, that's the problem with these barrels and why they're not great for paintball.

Shooting and far away targets with a flatline the balls will get there but not break. It'll keep the noobs down, but experienced players won't fall for it. At intermediate ranges, as long as you keep the marker vertical, the flat trajectory will help if you're too poor a judge of distance to compensate.

Then the HUGE disadvantage is if you tilt your marker by any amount, you get a wild hook or slice.

"They're not great for paintball" ... "Shooting far away targets with a flatline the balls will get there but not break. It'll keep the noobs down but the experienced players won't fall for it." ... "...the flate trajectory will help if you're too poor a judge of distance to compensate."

So tell me why they aren't great for paintball? Because they have a system to attach the barrel to the gun that won't work on our prized Mags or other flavors of guns that'll take threaded barrels?

Shooting far away targets with a flatline will only keep newbs down and the l33t players won't bat an eyelash.... oh you were finished? Well allow me to retort. Like it or not, if a paintball can get to you there's a chance it'll hit something solid enough to break, l33t players need not be expempt especially if they can't get a ball within 50 feet of the tippy/warsensor wielder slingin' paint comfortably outside of a regular barrel's range. Bottom line, if paint can get there, it can break on something.

And may I ask what the deal is with the superiority complex of having to compensate for range instead of allowing a device to do it for you (at least partially)? Our military has tanks that can hit a moving target while the tank is traversing rough terrain going 60mph. There isn't a human alive that can do that unassisted. Technology is the friend of those who choose to use it. Granted, not everyone likes the flatline, I know I don't. However, it does what, to date, only one other barrel can claim to do (and actually do it).

So what if Tom Kay had developed a long range barrel? Would it suddenly become a cool and acceptable piece of equipment among the elitist clicks? What if WDP made it, AKA (I know it isn't their style), Gen-E, DYE, WGP, hell... BOB LONG or even Smart Parts???

OMGz th4t iz so c000l!!!111

I'm sure people will ask why I don't like the Flatline. Well, in all honesty its simply a function of personal prefference. I wish that I could get one for my Autococker or that I had a second A-5 that I could toss one on just for S&G. I'm always impressed with the range of the Flatline, I can honestly say its the longest shooting barrel I've ever had the opportunity to shoot and you can do some cool tricks with it (like shoot around corners or down into bunkers by laying it on its side or upside down). My personal gimic is one piece stepped barrels (a la Jacko Infinity) and one piece stainless steel barrels, neither of which are readily avalible anymore.

Let's not forget the last argument for why the Flatline and Hop-Up barrels suck... Because you have to hold your gun perfectly vertical, you can't have the thing laid over on its side and rip it WestCoast style from the hip, yo. Granted the loss of flexibilty of taking a straight shot while the gun is held at any angle is lost, as I said before, there are some cool things that you can do with the thing tilted and in areas with either a low ceiling or lots of branches the flater trajectory makes getting paint out there a bit easier.

[Deathshadow9k]

is the barrel on that ws66 fixed or detachable? cuz if it is fixed it will be much more effective just like how a factory tuned tippman 98 flatline will get a perfectly straight shot (i know it sounds crazy but theres alot of guys up here with em and i've seen it done), the only problem is to swab the barrel you either have to use the elbow breakdown or field strip it. if you remove the barrel you mess up the alignment and thus fudge it up

[VFX_Fenix]

The barrel is a body clamped slip fit (like the PPS Blazer or the SL-68) and removable/replaceable..

Edit - From what I understand it isn't hard to realign the barrel if matching marks are made on the reciever and the barrel. If marks aren't present alignment can be a little tricky but can be installed properly with some careful effort.

[SlartyBartFast]

So tell me why they aren't great for paintball?

Weren't paying attention were you?

If you tilt them off vertical they are AWFUL. Hook and slice all over the place.

So, two things against it: 1- little advantage when it working correctly and fired properly. 2 - HUGE disadvantage when fired improperly.

What good is a paintball marker that has to be fired perfectly vertical to be useful?

And take a chill. It's got nothing to do with superiority complex or not wanting any part of technology.

[VFX_Fenix]

I'm sure people will ask why I don't like the Flatline. Well, in all honesty its simply a function of personal prefference. I wish that I could get one for my Autococker or that I had a second A-5 that I could toss one on just for S&G. I'm always impressed with the range of the Flatline, I can honestly say its the longest shooting barrel I've ever had the opportunity to shoot and you can do some cool tricks with it (like shoot around corners or down into bunkers by laying it on its side or upside down). My personal gimic is one piece stepped barrels (a la Jacko Infinity) and one piece stainless steel barrels, neither of which are readily avalible anymore.

Let's not forget the last argument for why the Flatline and Hop-Up barrels suck... Because you have to hold your gun perfectly vertical, you can't have the thing laid over on its side and rip it WestCoast style from the hip, yo. Granted the loss of flexibilty of taking a straight shot while the gun is held at any angle is lost, as I said before, there are some cool things that you can do with the thing tilted and in areas with either a low ceiling or lots of branches the flater trajectory makes getting paint out there a bit easier.

I've addressed this little point already (bold text). By playing with the flatline or a hop-up you can learn how the barrel behaves and use its behaviour to your advantage, and that isn't just with taking straight shots. The loss of being able to take a straight shot from any angle very real and I'm not going to argue that. However, with that loss of flexibility in a normal situation, a new areas of flexibility are found with being able to hook paint intentionally around or over obsicles. Because the hook is relatively consistant at a given angle it is possible to learn to shoot from that angle. Sort of an odd case in point when I was trading paint with a guy using an M98C with a flatline, he ended up shooting me when I was posted out on him while he was still inside his bunker. Lucky shot? Maybe, but the implications of that shot are readily apparent if anyone can learn to intentionally shoot that way.

[justjoshin590]

actually the hop-up doesnt have as much as a problem with the hooking when tilted, it more just makes the backspin less efective

[IronCore]

actually the hop-up doesnt have as much as a problem with the hooking when tilted, it more just makes the backspin less efective

...so have you gotten back your ws66? hows the accuracy compared to a flatline. If I could just buy the barrel I'll find a way to attached that to my mag

[Enos Shenk]

I shot a flatline on my A5 before it got sold, i never had a problem with it. It didnt seem any more or less accurate really than any other barrel.

Most of the "flatline is crap" myths started because the 98 version was a pain in the rear end region to install and dial in correctly. The a5 version for the most part twist-locks in to the correct alignment. Its also shorter from the sandblasted inside to generate more spin in a shorter span.

Its finicky about paint and velocity, yes, but how difficult is it to buy good paint and dial the thing down to 270 or 280.

Worked good for me, of course i play in the woods and being able to fire a flat shot just above the brush is handy.

[justjoshin590]

well ill be getting the gun back soon, its been shiped to me from salt lake (west coast to east coast) so i should have it inside a week