Rocking Trigger: Should it be Tourney Legal?

[felony]

Has paintball evolved to nothing more than who shoots the fastest?

yes

[master_alexander]

i vote yes, think about that on a spydermag!!

[Fallout-]

I say let it in it wont change any thing.
Let in full auto 26rd burts and hyper reactive triggers! 11bps from a slow walker or 30bps form the same guy holding down the trigger. It just dosent matter. If every one can shoot as fast as they want any way they want then true tallent will rise above the whole my gun is faster than yours thing.
Let it in and crack down on the real problems you know like wipping.(to bad that wont happen)

[WARPED1]

Should be allowed. I'd get one if I liked Spyders.

[Duzzy]

If every one can shoot as fast as they want any way they want then true tallent will rise above the whole my gun is faster than yours thing.

Let it in and crack down on the real problems you know like wipping.(to bad that wont happen)

I like the wiping idea, but how exactly does talent run through a 30 bps rope? I think if it ever gets to that point people will just have 3 people shoot at the opposing starting station and 2 on each side ( 7 man team). You would kill most of their team with a little practice on how far people move in the 2 seconds it takes before 150+ paintballs hit them.

[Renegade_Azzy]

Sure, allow it, but if you have one, gravity feed only.

[JoshK]

the faster you shoot...the more money you are spending...and most important for the other team...you are gonna be reloading more often, and you might even run out....i say let them spend more money on tons of paint, so we can laugh at them when a pumper with one ball left runs up and bunker them while they are reloading....hmmm...fun

[Doc Nickel]

To clarify a bit, mine was on a Shocker (4X4) and I did it in the latter half of '98. (Photo here.)

One of the NPPL honchos E-mailed me within a week of my posting the pics, and told me in no uncertain terms that it was not NPPL legal. Mine used a single microswitch and a center-neutral setup. Pull the top half and it fired, release it and it returned to neutral. Pull the bottom half and it fired, release it and it returned to neutral.

I tried to explain- and have several more times over the years- that each firing was a single trigger-pull-and-release, as stipulated in the rules. No, I'm told, the trigger has to fire the gun once, and only once, per full range of motion, or one full cycle of the trigger.

And since the "full range" on a rocking trigger includes an "upper" pull-and-release AND a "lower" pull-and-release, that's two shots per pull, and therefore not NPPL legal. Also, the NPPL states the marker can have only a single trigger switch, so that right there also means the new rocker we're talking about is not NPPL legal.

Now, my understanding of the NPPL regs is a few years out of date, and I suspect that some changes have been made, although it's the same ruling that controls ramping and cheater boards (IE, more than one shot per trigger pull.)

That also doesn't mean that the other tourney series like the NXL, have also banned it, but interested parties should pay attention to the rules before buying. (Yeah, right! )

Also worth pointing out, a system with two trigger switches will almost always have twice the trigger travel of a single-switch system. In other words: You know how short you can get a standard electro trigger, right? There's a certain minimum distance the trigger has to travel to engage the switch, then a certain distance it has to go to let the switch reset.

Well, two switches will "stack" that distance- the trigger has to activate, then release one switch, then in the other direction, it'll activate and then release the other. Ergo, twice the distance of a normal setup.

You can fudge the distance a bit, putting some of the reset distance into the activate distance of the other switch, but the you do have to have a "center neutral" position where neither switch is activated. Otherwise you get an "auto response" mode where the gun fires on the pull and again on the release (definitely, it need not be pointed out, tourney-legal.)

It's not a big thing, but the same system could easily be done with a single switch- I did it five years ago- and would halve the trigger swing length.

Doc.

[bryceeden]

Heres my take on it, its still a Spyder. I am very glad to see this and have already made the decision that it is legal in all of the tourneys in the UPC series. This to me means that the kid with a $150 spyder will be able to walk on the field and not be afraid of the guy with the (insert favorite $1000+ electro) I don't see it being much if any faster than a good high end electro and the spyder still has more recoil giving it a dissadvantage. All this does is give the local budget team a chance.

[magman007]

well, if it is legal on a spyder, why cant it be legal on a dm5? g7 angel? alias timmy? it isnt fair for one marker to have different specs than others in that regard. if it is made nppl legal, i guess il be waiting to get my new marker till it comes standard with this system, because "raking the trigger" is uber fast with this setup

[xXHavokXx]

well, if it is legal on a spyder, why cant it be legal on a dm5? g7 angel? alias timmy? it isnt fair for one marker to have different specs than others in that regard. if it is made nppl legal, i guess il be waiting to get my new marker till it comes standard with this system, because "raking the trigger" is uber fast with this setup

He's got a point, why not alow two switches on the electros, get more uses out of the angry boards and v35s.

[SoTexBalla806]

sorry guys, but no kid shooting a spyder can move his fingers 15 times in one second. 30bps is CRAP. This is the same as a regular trigger... I wouldnt allow it because then we WOULD see guns that can shoot 30bps like DM5's and crap using this technology, but i dont think its a big deal at all...

[RTDynaflow]

Wow, leave it to Kingman to come up with another retarded ad. Where the hell did they find their marketing exec's?

To the topic... No, I wouldn't say it's legal. If it would be legalized what would be next? A DM5 frame with a longer "top" section? Think about it, you move the pivot point down some and hold your ring finger on the bottom section and walk the top with your normal walking fingers... auto response. Techinically they are right in the rules. The way they are written makes it so a full cycle of the trigger must stop and reverse direction to be legal. But... it is on fine, fine line of gray. Sadly enough if they legalized it, some pro would be crying that the gray line is white, another that white line is black and the black line is gray.

*sigh*

[LeatherPants]

I think that we should look more at everyday play instead of tournies. At least at a tournament there are rules, refs and regulations. What about your local field where there may 2 refs watching over 30+ people.

This is where kids get hurt. If only the paintball companies and fields would take responsibility. Though it would never happen it would be nice if field owners would not allow ramping chips or triggers like these. Only a small percentage of players actually play large tournaments where there is regulation. Most just play on the weekends or small tournies.

If fields were strict then it would be not be worth it to buy a "cheater" board. I won't stop untill some kid really gets hurt. But then the insurance companies would just put the lock down on all paintball.

[LeatherPants]

Youre going to overshoot little kids now LP? Youre evil

That's wrong. You know I stop before they pass out.