6.6 million and some change For an eye

[magman007]

all of you that think that waivers at paintball fields are goinhg to hold up in court, are gravely mistaken. to hhave a true waiver that will hold up, it has to be about 30 pages long, and you would have to initial after every paragraph. paintball waivers hold no value what so ever in court. any waiver that is that short, has loopholes.

[68magOwner]

ok, he has bad vision, so, buy him lazer correction or whatever and $5000 for "suffering", not 6.6 million freaking dollars. i want more details on the sircumstances of how this went down.

[Lohman446]

I have yet to see a waiver in paintball that I figured was binding... I know any realistic statement of rights has been considerably... well better worded than those and even those my lawyer tells me just require one extra day in court.

It was likely looked at as negligence by the field, and covered by a liability policy. Frankly, have 14 year old refs in charge of policing safety measures is likely enough to prove negligence in court.

[GT]

Sweet!
Let the games begin! This will be only the first in a litany of lawsuits derived from unsafe practices. Lets keep in mind that this was a gun that was firring in a safe zone.

Cant wait to see the the lawsuits from the uber-dooper fast electros. Think of the possibilities, you can sue gun manufactures, loaders, compressed air, and mask makers. Hope everyone has renewed thier insurence. In the end we all pay for a more expensive sport, awsome!

[fire1811]

if you can play anywhere that is.
after a few lawsuits no one will have a field to play at

[Muzikman]

You don't seem to understand. 20/200 vision is basically blind. There will not likely be any repairing that eye at all. He can probably see the change in light, but not much else.

[Tyger]

Beemer : No clue what's going on with this one, but to be honest it doesn't surprise me. With the explosion of popularity in paintball, it's just a matter of time before you see more of this. Paintball is a safe sport that uses dangerous equipment. Just remember that the next time you do a superman slide holding a 4500 PSI tank in your lead sliding hand....

To everyone else, the waivers in paintball exist to give you a sense of security, but repeatedly they're worth less than the paper they're printed on. Even if you have the usual "you can die playing paintball, and we aren't responsible for that" on the waiver, if they fail to keep you out of harms way you can take them to court. And a good lawyer will have a FIELD day beating that waiver form up in court.

Oh, Beemer, source for the info? I want a starting place to look into this myself. I've got nothing better to do...

-Tyger

[bryceeden]

all of you that think that waivers at paintball fields are goinhg to hold up in court, are gravely mistaken. to hhave a true waiver that will hold up, it has to be about 30 pages long, and you would have to initial after every paragraph. paintball waivers hold no value what so ever in court. any waiver that is that short, has loopholes.

Thats why my tourney waiver is 23pages long and written by a lawyer and requires initials after every line and three witnesses(I forsee alot of upset players next season). A good lawyer can get passed any waiver, but you can atleast make it difficult for them.

[68magOwner]

its only a matter of time before someone at my local field takes 1 to the eye, i mean, espicially younger kids and (no offense) woodsballers, seem to have this idea that "im out, so, no one will shoot me/i will not get hit" i have seen many times where people get hit, walk off side of field (still inside netting) take off their masks, and chill, WITH REFS ON THE FIELD now, as a aware player, i yell my head off at these people, but, it seems to do no good, i have gone so far as to tackle/cover the face of someone without a mask on. I have let the stor owner know, he says he will tell th refs, but, nothing changes. Last time i went to the field, a man wanted to watch his son play (i was playing that game as well) the ref starts the "3, 2,...." i start shouting "stop! stop!" as i see that the man has WALKED ON THE FIELD without a mask on, so, i try to tell him, we cant start a game with someone on the field with no mask on. He decides to tell me that he has been there many times, and has never been shot before while watching a game on the field. I argue with him for a few minutes, then walk off the field saying i will not have anything to do with him being blinded. Yet he stayed on the field and no one did a damn thing about it. So, does the field need reported? yes, by all means. But, am i about the try and close down the only place close to me to play on a decent field? No. so, there is a problem, which needs to be dealt with, but, i dont know that this is the way to do it.

(i could also rant about barrel plugs/covers, but, i dont feel like typing any more) actually, i will, at a tournament (where playes should know better) one of my teammates was shot in the leg, at our tent, while he was filling pods for the next game, by a player cleaning out his matrix, which was gassed up, full of paing, and on, with no barrel blocking device. Espicially with todays uber-sensative triggers, safety precautions must be taken. I feel that my marker is absolutely safe when off the field (degassed(on/off asa), no paint in chamber (rip drive) marker off, barrel blocking device in/on), what could go wrong but, idiots seem to mess these all up.


no more ranting tonight-

[Tyger]

its only a matter of time before someone at my local field takes 1 to the eye, i mean, espicially younger kids and (no offense) woodsballers, seem to have this idea that "im out, so, no one will shoot me/i will not get hit"

It's not jsut a woodsballer mentality. A lot of new players in general get this idea in their head too. The location has nothing to do with the equation, the mentality of the person, however, does.

See, I remember when players thought it was cool to use stuff like swabs and squeegies for barrel plugs too. The term "getting speared" means something special to me.... a lot of pain...

-Tyger

[jayloo]

OMG, I was actually about 10 feet from the kid when this happened. Honestly I was there that night.

George (the owner) and Kieth (a manager) were there running the place.

The kid was in a private group for a birthday party. I thought it was his but im not sure. All his buddies were all about the same age, 12. They were in the lobby fully hyper from just playing a game. There was a barrel condon on the rental marker. However it seems the barrel condom had a small rip or was just worn in the corner. The kids friend was just holding the marker and frantically talking as everyone else was. This situation is completely common. Well the marker fired and some of the ball made it out of the condom and struck the kid near the bottom/right side of his right eye.

We all thought he was shot with a solid ball in the eye from the kids reaction. He was only hit with some of the shell. The buddy who whot him went in the corner and was pacing and crying cuz he thought he did some real damage. Keith and George tended to the kid till the paranedics arrived. They did everything I would expect out of a professional establishment. The kid seemed ok once he calmed down.

We all thought he was fine and just caught the paintball on the soft tissue under/right of the eye. It was bleeding quite a lot as any face wound does.

I did not wittnes the rip/tear in the barrel condom but that is what I heard during the minutes that followed the shot. Thankfully parents remained with the group and were present to tend to him. I believe his father was present and was quite pissed.

I knew CCP was being sued for that event but did not know about the outcome.

It was a mistake. A few unfortunate circumstances that made a tragedy.

CCP is fine and will continue to be. George is a smart business man and CCP is a great place to play ball. I will not begin to comment on whos fault I THINK it was so dont ask. CCP is a SAFE place to ball. I have been ballin there for more that 3 years and will be there tomorrow to video a tourney.

This event and several other heartbreaking tragedys are unforunately going to happen.

We as knowledgeable pballers need to always take an extra minute to help everyone else be safe.

Thats all, im tired of typing.

[slade]

There was a barrel condon on the rental marker. However it seems the barrel condom had a small rip or was just worn in the corner. The kids friend was just holding the marker and frantically talking as everyone else was. This situation is completely common. Well the marker fired and some of the ball made it out of the condom and struck the kid near the bottom/right side of his right eye.

ok, i guess this makes it the fields fault, since there was a faulty barrel condom on a rental gun.

[Recon by Fire]

I've said it before and I say it again: Waivers are not worth the paper they are printed on. Receiving a 6.6M judgement is one thing, collecting on it is another.

[davidnj]

20/200 is not that bad, well considering that his eye could have been gone for good.

I dunno, I have 20\140 in one eye and 20\120 in the other and when Im not wearing my contacts (glasses dont work for me ) Its pretty hard to function normally. 20\200 Im pretty sure qualifies as legally blind. Yeah its good that he can still see somewhat, but 20\200 is hardly 'not bad'.

[Destructo6]

Was this barrel condom a neoprene version? SC Village banned the use of such barrel condoms a little less than a year ago with no explanation, but I assumed it was because of some failure. Perhaps it was this very one?

You don't seem to understand. 20/200 vision is basically blind. There will not likely be any repairing that eye at all. He can probably see the change in light, but not much else.

20/200 isn't that bad. I was in the range of 20/400 prior to Lasik in March.