Since when is Mark M a mod?

[Thordic]

And why is he harassing people about selling stuff other than paintball stuff on AO?

Its never been against AO policy to sell whatever the hell you wanted on here. I've seen people sell all sorts of things.

Now we get a new mystery moderator (who IMO has been a little too outspoken to be considered for a mod position) who threatens a user with a 10-day because he was trying to sell some DVDs and whatnot.

Sorry but this just ticks me off a little bit. Theres no need for it.

[behemoth]

I got a PM. he said others did aswell...

I thougth the same thing thor...
-Josh

[GT]

I think he has been a mod for awhile but has stayed in the Angel sub forum

[hobbesTZ]

I think he has been a mod for awhile but has stayed in the Angel sub forum

Pretty much.

I guess he has something against DVDs.

[cphilip]

Yes.... he has been a Mod in Angel forum for quite some time. He has always had power to mod outside there, by default, but just did not. Recently he was given the OK by Tom to do so as his time zone coincided with a down time for Moderators over here.

Now as to the Selling of non paintball items in Classifieds. Well... in the past I personaly have always just ignored them if they were not offensive or illegal materials. And I still do. However it is a paintball forum and it does say its for "other paintball items". So it's within the rules to not allow non paintball items to be sold there. But me... I don't really care outside of what I previously listed as taboo. But I don't speak for all the other Mods. It's clearly within the rules to not allow them. If some of them want to spend (or waste) their time on monitoring that, then its certainly not something that needs defending. It's the rules. I for one.. do not intend to mess too much with that issue as I got more important things on my plate than that. It's low on my priorities.

[cphilip]

He's been a mod for a while now...guess you hadnt noticed.

It seems with the recent influx of troublemakers(Cphilips announcment up top) that Mark and the other mods have a little bit more freedom to exercise their powers.

No.... well... those two things are unrelated. Just happened that way. Explanation in my post above.

The influx of trouble makers is rather periodic. It happens about twice a year. Just timing is all.

In fact... while I was dealing with a few of them and making that announcement... Tom announced his retirement and I missed it because I was in edit of my Anouncement the whole while. I really don't know if I would have even bothered to deal with it had I known that while Tom was typing his good bye, I was typing things to keep things running. After hitting the post button I saw his announcement on the reload. Took the wind out of my sails for a while.

[-=Squid=-]

"For all other paintball gear and other items not relating to the other catagories."

According to the rules of the English language, and according to the rules of said forum, it is ok to sell non-pb things there.

I get a lot of PMs from MarkM, and no other mods, mind you, all related to very unimportant things. It gets old.

- Goro

[Thordic]

I also think threatening a 10-day ban for selling items is pretty damn harsh.

The thread was selling a bunch of stuff, which included paintball gear and other things in a single thread. And squid has a point about the wording.

[cphilip]

"For all other paintball gear and other items not relating to the other catagories."

According to the rules of the English language, and according to the rules of said forum, it is ok to sell non-pb things there.

I get a lot of PMs from MarkM, and no other mods, mind you, all related to very unimportant things. It gets old.

- Goro

Well there your wrong again. Probably because your trying to take it out of context to where it exists....Let me dissect it for you

the Forum is "Misc. Paintball Items"

Explanation is "For all other paintball gear and other items not relating to the other catagories." (others being markers and air)

Now let me seperate that for you....

1) Paintball Gear

2) and other items not relating to other categories (remember all under Paintball Misc Items)

Note the other categories are "Markers" and "Air Tanks". So this is everything else. But note its Misc PAINTBALL items. Paintball is the operative word AND the heading.

What area examples of paintball items that meet that explanation and not maybe considered Gear? Well things like maybe Tournament trophys or field fee passes. Things like that. I didn't write the description. But it was written as a explanation of what PAINTBALL items were considered proper for Misc PAINTBALL items category.


The operative is its Misc Paintball Items.

[cphilip]

I also think threatening a 10-day ban for selling items is pretty damn harsh.

The thread was selling a bunch of stuff, which included paintball gear and other things in a single thread. And squid has a point about the wording.

I agree that is not acceptable for the issue. I will speak to Mark about that.

His point is pretty much invalid.

Again I don't think this was worthy of any action. And I advised Mark of that fact.

Let me handle it. K? Please come to me privately if something is wrong like this.

[rkjunior303]

phil, do you think it's possible to get an 'other' category for the For Sale section or would you like to keep it strictly paintball related?

[-=Squid=-]

Thordic agrees with me: That says something.

It may be a rule, but if you read that, and break it down, it makes it ok to sell non pb things. It says all other things not related to other categories; well, last time I checked a DVD wasn't related to the other categories.

Then again I don't sell non-pb related things on this forum so it really doesn't matter to me.

- Goro

[cphilip]

phil, do you think it's possible to get an 'other' category for the For Sale section or would you like to keep it strictly paintball related?

I personaly would rather keep it as much just paintball as we can. I personaly don't care if there is a few non paintball items there. But I do not want to encourage a lot of it as it's hard to monitor and all. I mean look at eBay. We got a list of rule a mile long and tons of people trying to keep things in line there. I mean if we say go for it and sell anything we are going to eventually have problems. Like body parts and illegal chemicals and who knows what all else. I mean we are a paintball site after all and there is already an eBay. But I agree we should be reasonable about it. That I do agree with you on.

But.... I will speak to Mark about the way to handie this from now on. So we are all on the same page. We got a disconnect it seems right now and I will see what we can do to fix it. I promise. Gimme a day or so to deal with this.

[White_Noise]

like cphillip said, this discussion belongs in pm's and not in the threads. however, i do agree with cphillip. the title of the forum is misc. paintball items. which would encompass all the sub headings that define what can be sold there. so i sugest that you 2 (thordic and squid) quit hounding chillip about this and either bring it up with him in pm's or with mark m.

[Magaman]

How about this:

The mods get together with the powers that be and make a new ruling. You will either decide, anything can be sold or "Only Paintball stuff"... Then make sure the rule is well explained so that even little mice can understand it...

It will be better than a 50 page thread with arguing over what the current set of rules are... We have had way to much of that in the last few weeks...

Two Cents...