Since when is Mark M a mod?

[cphilip]

Thordic agrees with me: That says something.

It may be a rule, but if you read that, and break it down, it makes it ok to sell non pb things. It says all other things not related to other categories; well, last time I checked a DVD wasn't related to the other categories.

Then again I don't sell non-pb related things on this forum so it really doesn't matter to me.

- Goro

Your not paying attention to what I am explaining to you. Probably because you chose not too.... but thats neither here nor there. I'll try one more time...

If you break it down correctly it says "...other (paintball misc) items not related to other categories. Simple as that.

[rkjunior303]

thanks phil, as always, you are a scholar!

[TheTramp]

I've bought/traded for some cool non-paintball stuff in the "other" catagory. I don't think it's out of hand at all and hopefuly, as Phil said, we can keep the status quo.

[themish]

squid
The word AND implies a logical AND operator. This is different from logical OR, which is what you take the rule to be. AND implies that both conditions must be true at all times. OR implies only one condition need be true. Please take a high school level math class.

[CaliMagFan]

like cphillip said, this discussion belongs in pm's and not in the threads. ....

I'm not going to combat what you're saying here mag/cocker because you're just repeating what cphil said...

I do submit though, this is a forum, and however much you want to regulate its content, you must remember that it is a forum in the end. The forum, not only online, but harkoning back to the days of the Greek and Roman forums of antiquity has been a place of free learning and communication. Of all the forums I have frequented, this is the most censored, most restricted. Be that bad or good is not for me to say, it's an issue of individual ideal.

I concede that yes, AO is a private business venture, so it is for the owner/ his moderators to control the content present. But, and this is a big but; this private venture is backed by the dollars and cents of the people that patronize AGD in the business sense. (I remember reading that AGD bought control of AO back in 2001[?].) I think that I am safe in saying that the bulk of people that put money in the proverbial AGD pot are accounted here on AO as forum goers. Thus, I don't think it too outlandish to feel my fellow AO members and I have a say in what the "government" policies here are. In California we have something called a "recall" it's akin to the British Parlimentary system's "no confidence" vote for a Prime Minister.

Thus, I submit that if the problem "grows legs" and gets too out of control, that either forum rules be revisited in the sense that they need a modernization, or the recall strategy be pursued for the moderator in question.

Also, as I stated before, we AO member are much like shareholders in this AGD venture, and as a "shareholder" I would insist that most of the business of the company in which I have invested is open for me to read .

scathing and revolutionary, i know... but all to necissary in at a time like this.

-kyro

[-=Squid=-]

squid
The word AND implies a logical AND operator. This is different from logical OR, which is what you take the rule to be. AND implies that both conditions must be true at all times. OR implies only one condition need be true. Please take a high school level math class.

Attempt to insult my intelligence: Failed.

- Goro

[Glickman]

squid
The word AND implies a logical AND operator. This is different from logical OR, which is what you take the rule to be. AND implies that both conditions must be true at all times. OR implies only one condition need be true. Please take a high school level math class.

id bet there are people much much smarter then you, or me, or squid, but they choose not to do stuff like that, because they're... well.... more mature, and dont try to condensedly show off...


but back to topic, i agree with what was said about out-right notation of this rule, but really, whats the harm of letting people sell a few dvd's, in fact, thats how some of us get money to buy other paintball stuff

[nastymag]

MarkM has been a mod for a very long time, and a good one too. if it really bothers you, talk to him over PMs. dont try to undercut his status with a post for everyone to read.


i can see how a 10 day ban is excessive, but i dont really believe none paintball stuff should be sold there either. make a seperate sub forum for it, or dont allow it altogether.

[MarkM]

Thordic.... to defend my self somewhat....do you want to post the PM where I threatened a 10 day ban?...trust me you can't because I didn't .....Oh and Thordic the PM as in Private Message was not sent to you so unless you have two accounts? To anyone else reading this there have been more than a few pm's regarding possible bans if (whatever the subject was) was continued but NEVER repeat NEVER over a for sale thread. To date ever PM where this was a subject the user has behaved and the rest of AO has seen no posts or thread dissapear because of this...you have to remember that it is better to do things quietly via pm's rather than lock or delete threads though there are times that this has to be done.

Squid I have sent you pm's sure and the last little set were to do with you doing something that could have escalated and possibly had you getting into a flame war. As I explained to you I would back your corner if you were being wronged and the same goes for any other AO user.

[jdev]

Thordic agrees with me: That says something.

It may be a rule, but if you read that, and break it down, it makes it ok to sell non pb things. It says all other things not related to other categories; well, last time I checked a DVD wasn't related to the other categories.

Then again I don't sell non-pb related things on this forum so it really doesn't matter to me.

- Goro

thordic jumped through a bush and landed on a car.. face first

so no, that says absolutely nothing.

and phil. it does say other items not relating to the other catagories. I know you already know this, as youve posted at least twice in this thread. this can be construed, as squid already mentioned, as other things not relating to other categories, IE Air/Markers. Last I checked, a DVD is not related to Air systems or Markers. Thats just how its percieved, and im sure, I, or squid, aren't the only two that have percieved it as that.

[White_Noise]

thordic jumped through a bush and landed on a car.. face first

so no, that says absolutely nothing.

and phil. it does say other items not relating to the other catagories. I know you already know this, as youve posted at least twice in this thread. this can be construed, as squid already mentioned, as other things not relating to other categories, IE Air/Markers. Last I checked, a DVD is not related to Air systems or Markers. Thats just how its percieved, and im sure, I, or squid, aren't the only two that have percieved it as that.

in defense of what cphillip said: yes, it says other items not relating to the other categories, however, this statement comes after the title of misc. paintball items.

Misc. Paintball Items
For all other paintball gear and other items not relating to the other catagories

paintball gear would include pants, jerseys, packs, etc, etc. while other items would be things such as tropheys, play passes, marker parts, etc.

does this mean that i dont think other things should be allowed to be sold? no. im just saying that you guys can just back off of cphillip on this because this is a paintball forum, and the section title does say paintball and therefore would imply paintball items.

[Muzikman]

No the users have no say in the rule and what goes on as far as the running of AO. No they are not share holders. That is kinda like saying that you have the right to tell a company what to do with their marketing dollars. I am not even sure how you can come up with half that stuff below.

I'm not going to combat what you're saying here mag/cocker because you're just repeating what cphil said...

I do submit though, this is a forum, and however much you want to regulate its content, you must remember that it is a forum in the end. The forum, not only online, but harkoning back to the days of the Greek and Roman forums of antiquity has been a place of free learning and communication. Of all the forums I have frequented, this is the most censored, most restricted. Be that bad or good is not for me to say, it's an issue of individual ideal.

I concede that yes, AO is a private business venture, so it is for the owner/ his moderators to control the content present. But, and this is a big but; this private venture is backed by the dollars and cents of the people that patronize AGD in the business sense. (I remember reading that AGD bought control of AO back in 2001[?].) I think that I am safe in saying that the bulk of people that put money in the proverbial AGD pot are accounted here on AO as forum goers. Thus, I don't think it too outlandish to feel my fellow AO members and I have a say in what the "government" policies here are. In California we have something called a "recall" it's akin to the British Parlimentary system's "no confidence" vote for a Prime Minister.

Thus, I submit that if the problem "grows legs" and gets too out of control, that either forum rules be revisited in the sense that they need a modernization, or the recall strategy be pursued for the moderator in question.

Also, as I stated before, we AO member are much like shareholders in this AGD venture, and as a "shareholder" I would insist that most of the business of the company in which I have invested is open for me to read .

scathing and revolutionary, i know... but all to necissary in at a time like this.

-kyro

[cphilip]

other items not relating to the other catagories[/b]. I know you already know this, as youve posted at least twice in this thread. this can be construed, as squid already mentioned, as other things not relating to other categories, IE Air/Markers. Last I checked, a DVD is not related to Air systems or Markers. Thats just how its percieved, and im sure, I, or squid, aren't the only two that have percieved it as that.

You know I posted yet you never read what I said.... (sigh)

Ok well you have time now. Construed? or Reconstructed in your wishfull dreams?

Read again. It's pretty clear. Its also pretty clear I said it didn't realy matter because my approach was to ignore that missinterpretation anyway... but I guess that was a waste of my time to say that.

It's also clear to me now that Mark talked to me privately about this last night after he had PM'd a single member about a non paintball items. And that he then took my advice not to mess with them. And its also apparent that there was a misrepresentation of the timing in this to me in this thread. By hearsay and not by personal experience. He too was probably mislead about the specifics. It's also evident now that it was "much ado about nothing". And to quote the server "nevermore 404"....

End of story. It was a mistake on and overblown. A mistake in every way. And a good lesson to us all. Never quite believe everything you hear until you can prove it so least you be lead down the path of ignorance.

Closed.