34+bps off Rogue's Exile RT Pro

[matt-o]

well the bps cap is 15 i think, and if thats only for electros the gun still has to be pure semi for 3 shots, this obviously dosnt do that

[NoForts4Me]

The fact that's it's Mechanical, IMO, is FAR less impressive as there's nothing special going on there at all.It's nothing more than the bolt bouncing off a spring. It's completely passive in that condidtion.Is that impressive? A technical marval? I guess if 'you' think so, but personally I don't. The RT reg bypasses the 'reg' under those conditions anyway so there's not even anything special there.

I find it much more impressive on an electronic marker, that has to enact a specific and precise set of functions in order to reach that ROF.It has to read and output a full set of instructions and have those instructions carried out by each device in the marker.Each of those devices,soleniod/s,ram/s etc, are being actively controlled in order for the marker to complete a cycle any ROF as well as something rediculous like 30+BPS or CPS.Nothing passive going on there,all active control.(besides the return of the spool in the 'niod.)

So with all due respect to Zack,he is a great guy, it's cool...but...what else ya got?

Interesting. So you think it's more impressive to hold the trigger of a electro down and watch it rattle off 30+ bps than for someone to hold the trigger of a mech in the right place and get it to bounce 30+ bps. My 4 year old could shoot an electro at 30+ with no practice. Yeah, neat technology to get there, but same end result. I'm not sure either should be used in the field of play, but it's still a cool video.

So what you got? Let's see some of those "cool" vids you can make, and will oooh and ahhh over them too .

[tyrion2323]

How's that different than the mag when it's free cycling,as in this case?

You can debate your 'speculation' of what you think happens all you want.

I build these things for a living, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what it takes.I only wish I had the time to make a video everytime I work on something poeple would think is "cool" but alas, there's just not enough hours in the day. :)

For the record, I also agree with some of the other posters in this thread that find it interesting that ANY other marker posted doing a high ROF get's torn to pieces for everything from legality to practicality but if it's a Mag,regardless of how it's being cycled, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The fact that's it's Mechanical, IMO, is FAR less impressive as there's nothing special going on there at all.It's nothing more than the bolt bouncing off a spring. It's completely passive in that condidtion.Is that impressive? A technical marval? I guess if 'you' think so, but personally I don't. The RT reg bypasses the 'reg' under those conditions anyway so there's not even anything special there.

I find it much more impressive on an electronic marker, that has to enact a specific and precise set of functions in order to reach that ROF.It has to read and output a full set of instructions and have those instructions carried out by each device in the marker.Each of those devices,soleniod/s,ram/s etc, are being actively controlled in order for the marker to complete a cycle any ROF as well as something rediculous like 30+BPS or CPS.Nothing passive going on there,all active control.(besides the return of the spool in the 'niod.)

So with all due respect to Zack,he is a great guy, it's cool...but...what else ya got?

Agreed 100%.

Hypocrisy thrives here.

[tyrion2323]

Interesting. So you think it's more impressive to hold the trigger of a electro down and watch it rattle off 30+ bps than for someone to hold the trigger of a mech in the right place and get it to bounce 30+ bps. My 4 year old could shoot an electro at 30+ with no practice. Yeah, neat technology to get there, but same end result. I'm not sure either should be used in the field of play, but it's still a cool video.

So what you got? Let's see some of those "cool" vids you can make, and will oooh and ahhh over them too .

Jay wasn't talking about the ease of firing an electro quickly. He was talking about the processes, both electrical and pneumatic, involved.

With a full auto mag, the only real action is that the on/off is boucing back and forth, creating a full-auto.

With an electro, you have to have:
- the trigger input initiate the board
- the board calculate the amount of electricity to send to the solenoid, taking into account current dwell, eye-delay, bounce, etc settings.
- the board sending the electrical current to the solenoid
- the solenoid reacting to the current, releasing air to propel the bolt.

I think that's the distinction he was making. And, perhaps, that Z-Man seems to come out with these videos that are basically all the same, give or take a few bps.

[tyrion2323]

re: Steelrat can't touch a mag without it breaking.



True, but what happened when yout touched my Angel immediately afterwards??

That's right, paint blender. 1st and only time its chopped so bad as to stick the bolt.

I'm so glad we're inheriting him up in NorNY* Remind me NOT to let him use my Intimidator!!!

*That's right, I said NorNY, and there's nothing you can do to stop me!
**I own all rights to the term NorNY. Please send royalties to.....

[RRfireblade]

Interesting. So you think it's more impressive to hold the trigger of a electro down and watch it rattle off 30+ bps than for someone to hold the trigger of a mech in the right place and get it to bounce 30+ bps.

Jay wasn't talking about the ease of firing an electro quickly. He was talking about the processes, both electrical and pneumatic, involved.

With a full auto mag, the only real action is that the on/off is boucing back and forth, creating a full-auto.

With an electro, you have to have:
- the trigger input initiate the board
- the board calculate the amount of electricity to send to the solenoid, taking into account current dwell, eye-delay, bounce, etc settings.
- the board sending the electrical current to the solenoid
- the solenoid reacting to the current, releasing air to propel the bolt.
.

Exactly right. As well as a constant assesment and altering of timing elements to make it all possible.It's a true 'machine'. That other is basically....a slinky on a long flight of stairs.

[Caffiend]

a slinky on a long flight of stairs.

Got a video of that?

[Z-man]

Jay wasn't talking about the ease of firing an electro quickly. He was talking about the processes, both electrical and pneumatic, involved.

With a full auto mag, the only real action is that the on/off is boucing back and forth, creating a full-auto.

With an electro, you have to have:
- the trigger input initiate the board
- the board calculate the amount of electricity to send to the solenoid, taking into account current dwell, eye-delay, bounce, etc settings.
- the board sending the electrical current to the solenoid
- the solenoid reacting to the current, releasing air to propel the bolt.

I think that's the distinction he was making. And, perhaps, that Z-Man seems to come out with these videos that are basically all the same, give or take a few bps.

So, if I came out with a video of an electro (lets say.. that Odyssey one you like so much) doing 30+bps would that fall into "basically all the same" or would this be a wonderful new and novel thing?

Do you just want to see the same thing on a different maker.

[sabrefanpc]

even if you put that scuba on your back, i dunno how effective it would be. qloader is probably the only thing that can keep up and you only get 100 shots per pod. sure you can emoty it in 3 seconds, but then youre in trouble. you would spend as much time reloading your marker as you did firing

[tyrion2323]

So, if I came out with a video of an electro (lets say.. that Odyssey one you like so much) doing 30+bps would that fall into "basically all the same" or would this be a wonderful new and novel thing?

Do you just want to see the same thing on a different maker.

I'm actually not impressed with very many "look how fast my gun shoots" videos. Nobody really DOES anything new with them. To me, the fact that someone can rock a matrix or timmy or mag, in this case, at 30bps just...well, Show me someone doing that IN A TOURNAMENT, LEGALLY.

I'm not disregarding the fact that your video is cool. You've shot a paintball gun a lot faster than I have ever even thought about. But the videos DO get redundant, even you have to admit.

I would like to see a ZMan video series in which:
- You present different types of drills to do
- You discuss different tactics used by the top teams today
- You explain some tech stuff
- A woman gets naked.



And I separated with Odyssey a long time ago. Their product quality hit the drain once they "made it big," and I made sure to post so when it happened. I only have relations with two manufacturers now. Hybrid (everyone knows Hybrid) and AIM (Pretty small operation).

[Lurker27]

On the plus side, You have a legitimate argument to use your RT mags with 1200+ psi in them as long as Kingman releases those ridiculous Rocking Trigger Frames.

[Z-man]

I would like to see a ZMan video series in which:
- You present different types of drills to do

Drills? I dont even know how to move!

- You discuss different tactics used by the top teams today

I think I do a great job showing off what every team aspires to doing. I am the pinnacle of what a backman aspires to be

- You explain some tech stuff

I like that. I did put up a video showing how a preset and and an adjustable tank differ in performance on an E-mag and I did do a little (if not somewhat cheesy) video showing how the ROF cap and the shot buffering of 4.0 work. But Ill be treading lightly on that. I fear a boring (yet informative) video.

- A woman gets naked. .

Got any over there you want to send out? Carmel as a town has an average age of 54.... yeah.

[tyrion2323]

Drills? Got any over there you want to send out? Carmel as a town has an average age of 54.... yeah.

That's the way I like 'em....err...I mean....

DAMMIT!

[mark_1791]

I think I do a great job showing off what every team aspires to doing. I am the pinnacle of what a backman aspires to be

Can't argue there!

[JoshK]

Where can I get the software to see how fast a gun is going?