Who can flash 4.01 on an Emag?

[tyrion2323]

Just buy a Predator II board and have Logic install it.

[JRingold]

Software, it's all about 1 and 0.

The problem is with open source, AGD could still be liable if someone should get hurt. If people really want new software, get a new board. There are problems with the newer software. It has nothing to do with money persay, but the short coming and issues with the design. These were not known issues until the software got faster.

So something in the 8-bit microprocessor wasn't able to handle the load that the firmware was running it... Hmmm... I guess I may have to study the three pdf's and break back into my former geek status... I guess AGD wouldn't necessarily be liable, but the persons responsible for the modification of the firmware. I guess I will have to wait until I can get my own eMag or xMag to play further...

[evo.end3R]

um, cockers bounce a little....just a little.....
there are also ways to cheat with eblades, and it is not through software either.

notice how i said E2, e1's bounce like banshees, e2's take some damn good still to be good with.

[Muzikman]

So something in the 8-bit microprocessor wasn't able to handle the load that the firmware was running it... Hmmm... I guess I may have to study the three pdf's and break back into my former geek status... I guess AGD wouldn't necessarily be liable, but the persons responsible for the modification of the firmware. I guess I will have to wait until I can get my own eMag or xMag to play further...

Thje problem is not a software one, it's a hardware problem with the HES.

[phantomhitman]

just about every gun at the field now adays is illegal, except for cockers still.

um, wher edid you say e2? also, e2s can bounce if they want, and people like the play bouncy at rec fields unfortunately. that tt software takes a few minutes to setup to not bounce also. that is not the point here though.

the reason i never bought, or was interested in, the e or x mags was the trigger system. everyone complains that they are slow, clunky, and as people in this thread obviously know-unreliable at fast settings. i say predator it, and forget the software updates.

[GT]

The problem is with open source, AGD could still be liable if someone should get hurt.

Kinda skewed logic,
Who else is liable really? Maybe the company that makes the loader that feeds the gun paint or the comapny that supplies the gun with air? How would installing a board not make AGD liable yet someone who creates there own software, inturn, makes AGD liable.

AGD has used the safety issue to skirt the issue in the past. If it was that big of an issue Pride wouldn't be using it would they?

Thje problem is not a software one, it's a hardware problem with the HES.

If that were true then how come there isnt a problem with the morlock or pred'ed e/xmags?

No offense to Miscue, but I think this was his first big programming project. brians a great guy, I meet him a txball, but I am not sure if he was most qualified to write the code. Whether this is true or not, the biggest issue I see is that AGD farmed out 3.2, then 'scue (another out of house guy), wrote somemore code. Sounds like we need someone familiar with the HES switch to write a more comptent code, again if that is even the issue.

We will see as more e's are pred'ed out.

-gt

[evo.end3R]

also, e2s can bounce if they want, and people like the play bouncy at rec fields unfortunately.

i wouldnt know, i dont play at rec fields. the guys i play with (detroit strange, docs, avalanche, fem fetales, VL allstars, Treasure Coast Kids, Legit, list goes on) all have nxl boards or some type of cheater board, just suck it up, it makes you better in the long run to play agianst cheaters than to play against n9bs.

[Muzikman]

Kinda skewed logic,
Who else is liable really? Maybe the company that makes the loader that feeds the gun paint or the comapny that supplies the gun with air? How would installing a board not make AGD liable yet someone who creates there own software, inturn, makes AGD liable.

AGD has used the safety issue to skirt the issue in the past. If it was that big of an issue Pride wouldn't be using it would they?

If AGD was to release the code, that could make them liable. And sure, if someone really wanted to they could go after the tank mfg, loader mfg, etc. This happened years ago to Tippmann for their ASA necks. Someone got sued (was it AGD?) and they turned and sued Tippmann because without their tanks, the gun would not work.

If that were true then how come there isnt a problem with the morlock or pred'ed e/xmags?

No offense to Miscue, but I think this was his first big programming project. brians a great guy, I meet him a txball, but I am not sure if he was most qualified to write the code. Whether this is true or not, the biggest issue I see is that AGD farmed out 3.2, then 'scue (another out of house guy), wrote somemore code. Sounds like we need someone familiar with the HES switch to write a more comptent code, again if that is even the issue.

We will see as more e's are pred'ed out.

-gt

Well, that is not true. If you remember correctly, the 3.2 software had similar issues too. They just found some off the wall hack to make it work. The flaw is not software, it is the way the HES works, plain and simple. It might just be the way the HES works with the stock board, but it is still a HES issue.

[Vanced]

To Quote Miscue Talking about 4.x in a Video Zak did....

This vid is great for performance demo:

http://homepage.mac.com/zvetter/.Movies/SFL%204.0%20Testing.mov

I'm quite fond of it Zak... did a good job.

I suppose it's kinda cruel... to show hungry people the cake we're eating... and you can't have. Sorry!

Tastes like... honey.

And people wonder why we keep asking this question about wanting 4.2 or 4.X?

But we won't get it... Even though Miscue is for the most part satisfied with 4.2 but AGD is not and will not take the needed steps legally and finically to release it ... I guess we have to learn to accept it...

... The only ones with the ability to flash that are Tom Kaye, myself, Kayle, Rob, and Jason (Tato). If one of them has been distributing it, then it's a breech of trust issue- but I doubt that has happened...

Safety argument has little weight???? I wrote the freakin thing, what makes you think I don't understand the situation better than you? You have no idea what is going on....

....There's just endless... endless crap.

IF you want to know more... just do a search on 4.0 the information is out there... IN DETAIL... Oh looky here I did it for you, you are welcome...

http://www.automags.org/forums/search.php?searchid=320105

If you want to do more... start raising money to donate to AGD... it was said everyone has a price... if you want to take on the finical responsiblity for it... I am sure it could probably be arranged... bring a lawyer and a checkbook...

Or just pray, get a lucky charm, and bring a case of booze to IAO and try to bribe the weak link....Miscue...



Sorry about that... just a little tired of seeing this thread AGAIN... with no new news... as much as I might want to see it...

[GT]

if you want to take on the finical responsiblity for it... I am sure it could probably be arranged... bring a lawyer and a checkbook...

This is so bogus,
Does Ao really buy into this crap? How about when the RT came out, shorten the on/off pin, increase the input and you have a gun that dam near goes full auto, and it does it very very well. You cant honestly tell me that the reason 4.X wasnt distrubted because of money or increased liability. This excuse is just utter trash.

If you want to do more... start raising money to donate to AGD... it was said everyone has a price...

This to is complete BS. How many mags are out there?

[QUOTE]

We have produced over 100,000 guns in total. Mel you need to call me.

AGD has been making the same valve for about 15 years now, with minor changes. Lets say a truly conseravitive number of 150 profit per gun at whole sale, remeber how much mags cost at the height of thier popularity. Honestly I think the number is triple or quadriple that but whatever.....

150 profit per gun X 100,000= about 15 mill over the past 10~15 years. This is only guns and not all the other pb stuff they made or thier military contracts. To say AGD is hurting is an interpration at best.

[Muzikman]

I highly doubt AGD made $150 per gun sold. I would love to know where you got those numbers. Remember, R&D costs lots of money. The material they made mags out of are not cheap in raw state and are not cheap to machine. A mag cost $500 back in the mid 90's for a reason.

[GT]

I highly doubt AGD made $150 per gun sold. I would love to know where you got those numbers. Remember, R&D costs lots of money. The material they made mags out of are not cheap in raw state and are not cheap to machine. A mag cost $500 back in the mid 90's for a reason.

come on man,
how much do they sell Xvalves for at events? 180~225. And they sell them new in the store for 325 or 300 pbgear. I'd be hard pressed not to believe they dont make 100~150 per gun.

[Enemy]

well the biggest thing here is the fact that there is better out there!!! this endless endless crap is getting to be taxing why can we just get the best thats what agd had been about always having the best!! im sick of this crap!!!

[bunker17]

I just wish i had time to make this type of project of making a new software for current mags

[Muzikman]

You have that wrong. There is not "Better" there is just "Faster". In the minds of a lot of people the two are NOT the same.