So can paintball players "dance"?

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  • CaliMagFan

    #16
    I think the question is kinda a compound one. First off, we all play the game at different levels. It's kinda like taking the guy that goes out and plays soccer once or twice a year with his kids, and making him be the "standard" level of finnesse/gross motor control needed in soccer. Tyger, I know that you have played the sport in some pretty competative arenas and at a fairly high level, so you should have some sense of the "foot skill" of good paintball players. Rec paintballers treat the game, and the way they train for the game completely different than those that are playing in the upper echelon of the sport. The way I train for paintball is the same way that many people train for soccer, football, and tennis. I do sprints, long runs, upper body, and torso workouts that are all designed to bring the strengths of the body together as one core strength. At any rate, I think that the best paintball players have the same level of command over their bodies as many of their sporting counterparts do, it's just that those skills are not really honed in the rec player, so they are not realized about the professional.

    So, can we dance? I can, but it's not cause I am have a certain fittness level, that helps, but it's because I go dancing a lot. I don't think that you could just hand Fred Astair a paintball marker and he'd turn into Ollie Lang, do you? I think that paintball is actually of the most physically demanding sports in the world. One main issue that I see is that there are NO players at any level of the game that are playing to the extreme potential of the human body. That is unlike other sports where everyone is so close to the bleeding edge of athletic refinement that the only way to have the edge is through drugs.

    The superman slide is really a bad thing for the spine. The reason that it is such has to do with the differnce in speed of the halves of the body once you're hitting the ground. At the moment you touch down, you're generally comming to the ground first with your chest/upper body, and then your quads and the rest of your lower body follows... That's cause the diver's feet are usually kicked up like a heels-over-head flip. Anyhow, the upper body touches down first and instead of the whole body traveling at speed x through the air, half of the body is slowed by the friction of the ground to speed x-y, while the lower half the the body and the hips are still going through the air at speed x. Now, it's only for an instant that the 2 speeds are affecting the body, but it's enough time to compress all of the lower vertabrae and bend the spine in the wrong way.

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    • _tMAN
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      • Jun 2004
      • 789

      #17
      thank you Tyger for giving me something to do in this -30 degree weather . Although I think burning my retinas out may have been healthier for my brain!

      foget the PT, go and make some shows... or something that does not include dancing paintballers



      but hey, if they can do a dance like this, , their in my cool book
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      • space_weazel_45
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        • Jul 2003
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        #18
        So I see more of a correlation between lack of dance skills and wearing DYE equipment ......
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        • FallNAngel
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          • Apr 2003
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          #19
          Here's what I think...

          There's a genetic gene for dancing. I know for damn sure I don't have it. My idea of "dancing" is standing there tapping my foot maybe. Slow dance with my fiance? Sure. Dance to a beat? Not if my life depended on it.
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          • jamescell
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            #20
            dancing is over rated any way!
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            • Lee
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              • Nov 2002
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              #21
              dance damn you!!! dance!!!!!!

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              • abunkerer
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                • Sep 2003
                • 750

                #22
                THat was funny stuff! Reminds me of the movie Napoleon Dynamite...must be something in the Dye products that makes people do that, my slide shorts make me do that sometimes, but I just thought it was because of the chaffing.



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                • Mango
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                  • Feb 2002
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                  #23
                  If that physical therapist is having trouble designing your PT for paintball specificity, I would stop going to him. Most PT's have little formal schooling as it is and this lack of knowledge is not surprising. The PT my mom had to go to for her wrist had no idea what Glucosamine was.

                  Anyway, It is not difficult at all to design a physical therapy program for paintball, or a strength training or Physical Training program. It all stems from the idea of "Specificity of Training" and is no different than for any other athletic sport. One thing that causes less emphasis to be placed on athletic training for paintball is how diverse the roles on the field are. People do not see a NEED to train because the movements in paintball do not directly demand it. That is the percieved notion however. They figure "well I can just trot up there and kneel down" or "I can just use the back bunkers."

                  I've said it once and I'll say it again: Paintball Players are NOT ATHELETES. Not even the pro's (except for Russian Legion).

                  Every professional team, and those teams wanting to play at the top of thier game, should all institute a training program much like other competative sports. It simply should not be a question. If this sport wants to take it to the next level. Just look at the Russian Legion when they get on the field. The players move like well trained athletes. Other teams are going to have to step up to the plate and should hire Athletic Trainers.

                  I have written many strength training programs for paintballers who wanted to increase thier game. There are many key areas that need to be dealt with and that should be addressed but overall, it is not difficult at all. It takes knowledge, creativity and being a baller yourself to understand the stresses placed on the body. While I play, I'm constantly analyzing the biomechanics of my movements, what muscle groups are involved, frequency, joint angles, etc. I plan to do something involving Paintball as my Senior Seminar for college and if I go directly into Graduate School, I will definetly involve paintball in my research somehow.

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                  • slade
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                    • Apr 2004
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                    #24
                    and here I always thought it was just because Im white . I guess paintballers just cant dance.

                    :edit: great posts, kyro and mango. and why is it that mango only has a serious post if it has to do with exercise? no offense, but when i first came to this forum i thought you were an idiot 13 year old.
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                    • FooTemps
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                      • Sep 2001
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                      #25
                      Didn't bother to read the thread...

                      I'm a paintball player and dancer!

                      Actually, I'm going to a dance competition in aproxmately 37 minutes! ahaha! :-p

                      wish me luck!

                      (BTW: I do hip hop and dabble a little in breakdance)

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                      • SAW
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                        • Nov 2004
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by slade
                        and why is it that mango only has a serious post if it has to do with exercise? no offense, but when i first came to this forum i thought you were an idiot 13 year old.
                        Mango is a wealth of information on this topic. If he knows what he's doing, he'll act accordingly.
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                        • CaliMagFan

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mango
                          I've said it once and I'll say it again: Paintball Players are NOT ATHELETES. Not even the pro's (except for Russian Legion).
                          Alright Mango, I'm glad to hear that some1 sides with me on this one. Though, i dont know too many that would agrgue, it's good to hear another person mention those facts. Paintball players really want to call themselves atheletes??? They should probably quit the binge drinking the night before tounaments. Sure, they all do it, so the playing field (with the exception of a few individuals) is level. The next time I make a paintball team, it's gunna train like a college soccer team. Shooting paintballs will only account for about 60% of practice, maybe less....

                          ok, no thread hijacking.....sorry tyger..... I can still dance tho!

                          -kyro

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                          • Titansu
                            • Jan 2002
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                            #28
                            Too bad that the actual song they were dancing to was "Safety Dance" by Men Without Hats...

                            Take a listen...

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                            • Tyger
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                              • Oct 2002
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mango
                              If that physical therapist is having trouble designing your PT for paintball specificity, I would stop going to him. Most PT's have little formal schooling as it is and this lack of knowledge is not surprising. The PT my mom had to go to for her wrist had no idea what Glucosamine was.
                              The Friday visit was doig more range of motion in the back, and it was simulating moving side to side in a standup can bunker. Actually, it was kinda cool, he handed me a 4 pound weight to hold and I demoed what the move is, and going side to side switched hands. It's amatter of exposure for the therapist, and once he's seen more paintball stuff I get a feeling this'll get a lot more interesting.

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                              • Mango
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                                • Feb 2002
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by slade
                                :edit: great posts, kyro and mango. and why is it that mango only has a serious post if it has to do with exercise? no offense, but when i first came to this forum i thought you were an idiot 13 year old.

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