A possible solution the HES / 4.X problem?

[Vanced]

eblades have exactly what you are looking for, just like havok said. it is quite small and compact also. i do not know how you would strip it out and use it for emags though......

Your right... and I have nothing against it... And actually suggested that a while ago in a coversation with Rogue and Luke... about steps that should be taken in the future of the Automag... I am a too tired to look it up now, maybe I'll take the time to do a search and post the thread if you care later...

[shatter_storm]

What would be interesting is if you could make a drop in replacement mod for the emag, fitting an optical breakbeam sensor package where the HES is, and a replacement trigger with an extension on it to break the beam. You'd have to find a place to tap into on the emag board for the emitter, and then rig the detector up to the board. I don't know if the HES outputs an analog signal based on the magnet strength or if it's just a digital flipover on the right proximiity, but a daughterboard can be made on the cheap regardless.

Worst case scenario:
custom formed part to house the optic switch where the HES was
new machined trigger minus the magnets plus a beam-breaking arm
daughterboard + ICs to give a sane signal to the emag board
new code for the emag to take advantage of the lack of HES

The upgrade would probably cost $200 or $300 because of all the custom parts used, and you'd have a maximum target market of all the emags/xmags ever sold. It's not much of a benefit regardless (the emag has troubles cycling up past 20 bps anyways, I think) and one heck of a risky investment to make. Especially since the emag is out of production and isn't coming back...

A microswitch mounted where the HES was sounds like a better/cheaper idea to me.

[FallNAngel]

Go ask Microsoft for the code to DOS, see what kind of response you get.

Your right. Asking a multi-billion dollar company for the source code to an operating system that's still used in many computers is exactly like asking for the ASM code on a paintball marker

It's not much of a benefit regardless (the emag has troubles cycling up past 20 bps anyways, I think)

Nope... I believe Z-Man clocked his around 36cps

[Muzikman]

Your right. Asking a multi-billion dollar company for the source code to an operating system that's still used in many computers is exactly like asking for the ASM code on a paintball marker



Nope... I believe Z-Man clocked his around 36cps

Nope, it's no different. Microsoft quit supporting DOS, so as far as they are concerned it's a dead OS. There for, it's dead, why not give it to someone who asks for the code. It's exacly the same. Hell, it's even worse to ask for Brian's code as he never got the chance to make his millions.

[FallNAngel]

Nope, it's no different. Microsoft quit supporting DOS, so as far as they are concerned it's a dead OS. There for, it's dead, why not give it to someone who asks for the code. It's exacly the same. Hell, it's even worse to ask for Brian's code as he never got the chance to make his millions.

I'm sure there's still places that *rely* on DOS and how it functions. Releasing it's source code could open up other exploits. Yes, I'm sure there's not a huge abundance of businesses that still use it, but I'm sure there are at least a few. In either case, even if I *did* get the ASM code, it's not like I'd be using it to make millions either. When I asked if I could have the code, I didn't expect him to say yes... but you never know until you try.

[Enemy]

the only issue i see with this is that the break beams activation point isnt adjustable so you would have over come the length of the trigger rod or remove it to remove bounce!!! with 3.2 where it is and 4.2 atleast in brians hands this mod wouldnt be worth the time spent on it. also you have to mill the grip frame so the trigger extension could go through to trip the beam!!though miscue did have a good idea perhaps mounting it on top of the trigger just theres not much room up there!! has anyone thought of isolating the hes from the solenoid to prevent magnetic bounce??i dont know if they make a material that could effectively work?

[RRfireblade]

Nope... I believe Z-Man clocked his around 36cps

That's was a free cycling valve on it's own.

The soleniod in an E/Xmag is not capable of cycling past 21-23 BPS. Therefore limiting electronic fire to that.

[FallNAngel]

That's was a free cycling valve on it's own.

The soleniod in an E/Xmag is not capable of cycling past 21-23 BPS. Therefore limiting electronic fire to that.

Ahh, I could've swore he had an X-Mag hooked up to a scuba... guess it was his RT ...

[Vanced]

the only issue i see with this is that the break beams activation point isnt adjustable so you would have over come the length of the trigger rod or remove it to remove bounce!!! with 3.2 where it is and 4.2 atleast in brians hands this mod wouldnt be worth the time spent on it. also you have to mill the grip frame so the trigger extension could go through to trip the beam!!though miscue did have a good idea perhaps mounting it on top of the trigger just theres not much room up there!! has anyone thought of isolating the hes from the solenoid to prevent magnetic bounce??i dont know if they make a material that could effectively work?

Ok... It's been said that the break beam is out there currently.. how are they doing it ? andit is somewhat adjustable... you can either adjust the amplification of the beam or the beams relation to the trigger with a simple slot and set screw...
Or maybe even better a reflective type optic, you can gain ALOT of tuneability in thoose...
Or maybe even a Proximity sensor would be better.. ?

I mainly wanted to stir up the converstaion with a possible solution...

As for shielding the the solenoid or the HES... I vaugely remember somewhere about someone looking into it... it was probably Brian *Miscue* ... but I do not know what if anything ever came of it...

[hitech]

...compared it some of the E-Mag frame schematics I had laying around...

Do you have the schematic for the eMag? I've been wondering how the warp interface is wired. I have the emag battery running the warp and believe that grounding the warp interface "blew" the board. I'd like to confirm that and determine if it can be avoided. Thanks.

[misfit]

I have the emag battery running the warp and believe that grounding the warp interface "blew" the board.

i did the same thing when i pluged in the intelli feed cable. thats why i was wondering about that power module that agde sold, if it resolved that problem.

[Enemy]

the power module is soldered or connected to the power wire going to the solenoid and then grounded using the screw that holds down the board i didnt feel like soldering so i used the splice on the wire so far it works amzingly well with my reloader b!! and the only issue i had is that the shot counter reset one night when i was speed testing my hopper to see the difference between the voltage.

[GT]

This is something I have never understood, why has there not been the same issues with morlock'ed or predator'ed emags?

[Vanced]

GT: To be honest who to say there hasn't been ? the problems to start with were rare, and corrected with software (4.2 is susposedly near perfect , other than for Daysprings X-mag )

The Pred's and Morlock's probably have the same software fixes that Miscue put in 4.2 ...

Hi-Tech: Ok... Maybe Schematic was the wrong word... I don't have anything other than the pictures available here, and from the X-mag Manual from the airgun.com and what I seen when I have had the covers off an E-mag... Sorry

[RRfireblade]

This is something I have never understood, why has there not been the same issues with morlock'ed or predator'ed emags?

Good question. I've also used other boards without issue as well.

You know that story, Software guy blames the hardware and the hardware guy blames the software. Usually ends up being somewhere in the middle. :)