A possible solution the HES / 4.X problem?

[Wc Keep]

is anyone at all thinking about replacing the noid as well??

[TheTramp]

I guess you could do that if you put in the ULT kit.

[hitech]

is anyone at all thinking about replacing the noid as well??

Yes, but I doubt anyone will actually do it. I've thought about it and know what solenoid I think will work. However, i'm not in a position to try it.

[bunker17]

yeah i could probably try this project nut i happen to be broke had to sold my emag to pay books and it was a sweet one so when i get one and actually open it. and see whats inside
i wish i had money to work on this

[Vanced]

Only problem is any changes to the gun it self be it the trigger sensor or noid... is going to require some software changes regardless... and if the problem *can * be solved with software only... that would be the best or at least the cheapest way to go ... becauses any changes to the frame itself.. adds hardware and/or re-anno costs along with the cost of the software anyway...

And yes I know I am the one who started this thread with a "replace the HES" message... but that was in hopes it would gain the support of "IF" the magnetic / safety concerns were removed someone would be willing to create or release the software for it... or at least AGD would publically state Cost & Liability are the only issues preventing it's release... but that doesn't seem to be the case...

What seems to me so far the only shot to get anything functionally close to 4.X is to have someone else write and release it... and hopefully it will be up to AGD standards... that if there are any issues or need to get it fixed we can just flash it back to AGD software...

Or a step that a lot of the AGD faithfull have to this point been unwilling to do so far.. and put a Non-AGD parts and or electronics into their gun....

[TheTramp]

Or a step that a lot of the AGD faithfull have to this point been unwilling to do so far.. and put a Non-AGD parts and or electronics into their gun....

I think that the Morlock'd E-Mags and the acceptance of the DevilMag show that if you make it, Maggers will try it.

There will always people who will try new non-AGD parts and if it turns out that they work well (ie. are reliable and actually make improvements) then only the real AGD purists will spurn them.

[Vanced]

I think that the Morlock'd E-Mags and the acceptance of the DevilMag show that if you make it, Maggers will try it.

There will always people who will try new non-AGD parts and if it turns out that they work well (ie. are reliable and actually make improvements) then only the real AGD purists will spurn them.

And not saying they won't... Heck I am one of um... I shot Micro-Mags for many years & had several of um and still have one that is my primary Bodied Mech Gun... I love to see things being built on the Mag platform, for the mag, and around the valve and will promote as much of it as possible... And totally agree the work being done by GA Devil and the others in the Electronic world for mags is one of the positive things happing to the mag and will only help save it... and have said before a Bolt-Off / Bolt-On Rock solid E-Frame (that removes the sear from behind the trigger) would be great for the mag allowing players to go from E-Gun to Mech Rec gun with just the turn of a few screws... Because the valve can handle it and the level 10 makes eyes not absolutly needed... Becuase look what the E-Blade has done for the rebirth of the "Mechanized Hose Beast" of the cocker... ?

But to be honest *IN MY OPINION* a lot of the new E-Hybrids of the mag are being built and sold to people because of the lack of a comparable and supported AGD product...

[TheTramp]

But to be honest *IN MY OPINION* a lot of the new E-Hybrids of the mag are being built and sold to people because of the lack of a comparable and supported AGD product...

I totaly agree with you here. It would take a lot for me to buy a product from an aftermarket mfg if AGD made something basicly exactly the same.

With that said, I'd love to be able to put something like an Entropy board (like the one in my Intimidator) into my E-Mag without huge amounts of work.

[shatter_storm]

Only problem is any changes to the gun it self be it the trigger sensor or noid... is going to require some software changes regardless... and if the problem *can * be solved with software only... that would be the best or at least the cheapest way to go ... becauses any changes to the frame itself.. adds hardware and/or re-anno costs along with the cost of the software anyway...

And yes I know I am the one who started this thread with a "replace the HES" message... but that was in hopes it would gain the support of "IF" the magnetic / safety concerns were removed someone would be willing to create or release the software for it... or at least AGD would publically state Cost & Liability are the only issues preventing it's release... but that doesn't seem to be the case...

What seems to me so far the only shot to get anything functionally close to 4.X is to have someone else write and release it... and hopefully it will be up to AGD standards... that if there are any issues or need to get it fixed we can just flash it back to AGD software...

Or a step that a lot of the AGD faithfull have to this point been unwilling to do so far.. and put a Non-AGD parts and or electronics into their gun....

The only problem with software changes, most especially "approved" ones, is that the emag and xmag are dead. They arn't in production, they don't have R&D time devoted to them, they don't need to be improved. AGD won't/doesn't need to publicly state anything because AGD isn't concerned with emags/xmags in a product-development role. 4.2 could probably be released, but it won't be because it doesn't need to be.
3.2 is faster than all but a handful of people, it does it's job, and it's proven to work and be safe.

That being said, if you can get your hands on some opto sensors that'll fit the emag frame, try 'em out. I'm certain that if you can get it to fit the frame, or mod the frame to fit, someone somewhere will help you with getting the board to jive with it. Miscue seems like a nice guy, I'd bet you could send your mag into him and he'd do a one-off flash to deal with the optical sensor. If the sensor puts out a signal that the board can't deal with, I'm certain that there's a schmitt trigger that we could cram in there to make it work with the board.


The question still remains though: Is there a problem with the emag? I know there's a percieved problem with it, but since I don't own an emag I don't know for sure. Other than being hard to get your hands on, what's wrong with the emag? What "needs" to be fixed?

[RRfireblade]

The question still remains though: Is there a problem with the emag? I know there's a percieved problem with it, but since I don't own an emag I don't know for sure. Other than being hard to get your hands on, what's wrong with the emag? What "needs" to be fixed?

Nothing.....unlesss you want to shoot over 23bps with it....like.....wait a minute....same problem as every other E-Marker out there.

[shatter_storm]

But to be honest *IN MY OPINION* a lot of the new E-Hybrids of the mag are being built and sold to people because of the lack of a comparable and supported AGD product...

In my opinion all of the e-hybrids are being built because a great number of people own mechanical mags and want them to be electronic. The emag is a marker, not an upgrade like the eblade is. Emag lowers have to come from another emag, with the exception of a low number of manufactured extra frames.
I don't think there are that many people that own emags and can honestly say that they outperform the marker. Please correct me on this, but the majority of those that want 4.xx want it because it's available, not because you can get 2-3 extra bps from the 'mag. I'm not even sure most people that own emags know that the physical limitation of that platform is 22-23ish bps.

[shatter_storm]

Nothing.....unlesss you want to shoot over 23bps with it....like.....wait a minute....same problem as every other E-Marker out there.

I'd argue that that isn't a problem, because of two factors.
1) no widely accepted loader on the market can feed 23 bps.
2) very very few people can pull a trigger that fast. And we all know the emag doesn't have a full-auto mode intentionally.

[RRfireblade]

Unfortunately.....

Niether of those 2 factors have any impact on the average internet Pballers opinion on 'fast'.

[Enemy]

i want 4.xx because ive shot it and because i can tell you it does make a difference!! is 3.2 good enough yes but have i ever settled for just good enough!!

[TheTramp]

Just look at the boards being put into the E-Spyder and Spyder clones.

I guess that those are dealing with a gun system that isn't "dead" but there's got to be a "tech head" that's into Mags that wants to "improve" the E-Mag.