AGD future upgrades

[shatter_storm]

I think its low end guns.... an automag, stock with lvl 10 of coarse, a one piece body/rail/vert asa design and some sort of matching aluminum trigger frame, for less then 200 dollars. If the young people like how they look and its an alternative to a spyder it would sell.

And there's the problem. You can't make the 'mag valves at a low-end cost... you probably can't make the LX kits at low-end cost either.
Both require very tight tolerances to function properly, and tight tolerances cost money. I'm willing to bet that AGD could have an upgraded RT-pro manufactured in large quantities to slightly drop the price, but it would still be a $300 marker that requires HPA. That alone stops most budget ballers from using a 'mag.
They can't really cheapen the design any more unless they do larger quantities. There's nothing to simplify, really. A one-piece body/rail/ASA would probably be more expensive than the two-piece design used today... just look at the xmags. It's a pain to carve all that crap into one block of aluminum, and the more operations you do on one piece the higher chances of it getting screwed up and having to toss the whole thing.

Plus, we wouldn't want the young people who buy walmart markers to have to tune a LX system. There's *four* things to adjust to get it working properly, most people can't even manage one or two adjustments. I believe that was one of the reasons TK didn't want to pick up the DW hAir design - there were something like six adjustment points, and that's way too much for anyone but advanced techs to figure out. Look at autocockers, they've got nine adjustment points if they're mechanial - and you wonder why they "break" and people get stumped by them?

[mag88888]

could AGD make a knock off type of mag? i dont know, they wouldve done it by now.

[JoshK]

I think its low end guns.... an automag, stock with lvl 10 of coarse, a one piece body/rail/vert asa design and some sort of matching aluminum trigger frame, for less then 200 dollars. If the young people like how they look and its an alternative to a spyder it would sell.

I still dont think that would help. I know atleast when I started paintballing and was looking to buy a gun, I picked the gun that my friends said was reliable, isnt hard to work on, and is very upgradable. I didnt actually look at the facts, I just believed what they said. That is what I believe is hype, and thats all that begginers want (alot of "tourny players" also). No offence, but I dont see mags having hype unless they are advertised, and are CHEAP. The reason why companies like Kingman sell so many is because all the begginers being poor teens with no job, or parents that dont feel like spending $300 on "the best gun ever". The need to make a classic type of mag, that is just ok looking, can be used for woodsball (that means mellow colors). It needs to be below $100. Then you need to advertise the heck out of it! Put it in AGP, get it onto fields are rentals.

That is what I believe needs to be done.

[MisterBones25]

level 10 is probably a bad idea for a low end mag. anybody looking to get a low end mag will most likely not know how, or not want to have to tune it, as a feild rental. level 10 would also be a pain in the butt to go through 25 or more mags and make sure they all work at the end of the day. agd would probably want to go back to something like a modified level 7, but make it level 10 compatible to keep a nice upgrade path. also, the people buying these low end mags will not want to spend the money on a compressed air tank, so this means agd will have to design a new valve that will accept co2. basicly, they would have to go back to the classic, aluminum or steel, whatever is cheeper. make the body threaded, vert feed, throw on a plastic 2x trigger frame, and keep it all under $200. i dont think its posible, but i would like to see it happen.

[Virem]

I think its possible, it wont happen, but its possible... i didnt want them to have xvalves, i wanted them to be classic valves... It has to have level 10 to get rid of the stigma of mags chopping. lvl 10s with the CD they come with now are easy enough for a 10 year old to understand.

[White Wolf]

production cost on a x valve is nearly the same as making a classic so there is no money savings to be had there.

[MisterBones25]

virem, if you think a 10 year old kid could tune a level 10, send me your mag and ill have one of the 12 year old kids across the street from me tune yours and we will see if its posible . im not saying use level 7, but maby redesign the bolt so it doesnt nick the ball in the stack. spyders and piranas dont have level 10 and they chop, but nobody calls them a paint blender, mags could be the same way.
wolfe, i ment that agd would have to design a valve that would run on co2, if they could make the X run on co2 it would be perfect for a "low end" mag. im sure all agd valves cost about the same to make, its the co2 factor that would or wouldnt sell.
the only way to maby bring down the price of mags would be, unfortunatly, plastic parts. a trigger frame and maby a body and rail. i dont know if this would even work with agd's tight tollerances but it might be worth a look.

[White Wolf]

I could not agree more on the c02 compatability issue. I have been trying for a while to get the "co2 on-off" released by AGD as i think it would be a huge plus for Tac sales and for more entry level RT pro buyers to keep the entry cost below 350$