Owner of MI Paintball in Mt. Holly, NJ arrested

[Archangel Kid]

ohh... I said nothing about him being guilty or innocent... I just voiced my opinion of him

[PBX Ronin 23]

ohh... I said nothing about him being guilty or innocent... I just voiced my opinion of him

Huh? So your post that I'm quoting below isn't a condemnation of people who have yet been subjected to due process?

PLEASE LET MI DIE...

Pleeeeeeeze.....if you back pedal on an issue, at the very least check the tracks that you have left.

[thorn]

yeah, id be callin a lawyer or lookin for my baseball bat...

or both

my lawyer is my baseball bat...

[Archangel Kid]

Huh? So your post that I'm quoting below isn't a condemnation of people who have yet been subjected to due process?



Pleeeeeeeze.....if you back pedal on an issue, at the very least check the tracks that you have left.

Yes, I said that, because dum dum dum... I DON'T LIKE MI NOT because he MIGHT get off watching 5 year olds... but BECAUSE he's another word for a penis.

[PBX Ronin 23]

This thread only serves to condemn a member of the paintball community who has not yet been given their day in court. It isn't right to ruin peoples' reputations and livelihood over charges that may or may not be true.

Hey Mods, perhaps it's better to closed this thread.

[sabrefanpc]

ok, so innocet until proven guilty, but lets look a little closer at our legal system.

he was ARRESTED. As such he either committed the offense while a cop was watching or was served with a warrent. If he was seen i think the evidence speaks for itself. To get a warrent, police luckily must provide a reasonable body of evidence (think writ of habeus corpus style) to show the person is somehow linked to said crimes.

obviously then, this person has SOME kind of link to the offensive material.
In my opinion, anyone having to do with a video of a rape deserves a conversation with a baseball bat.
Anyone having to do with the rape of a 5 year old desrves their own special little place in hell and an express ride ther, but lets not get into an argument about capital punishment. wheh.

[Archangel Kid]

Its nice that you have this guys back. But don't get mad when people voice there opinions about someone. I say it should stay open until/unless it gets out of hand.

[nyy]

i played mi kids a long time ago once, me and a few other guys that were walkons beat them several times and they kept making lame excuses that they werent trying or some bs like that

anyway, i really do hope MI the company goes down altogether, their guns are overrated pieces of eye candy

[PBX Ronin 23]

Its nice that you have this guys back. But don't get mad when people voice there opinions about someone. I say it should stay open until/unless it gets out of hand.

I would have anybody's back if they were ever subjected to the lynch mob mentality without having the benefit to either defend themselves in a court of law or in the court of public opinion.

To be arrested doesn't necessarily equate to guilt. Evidence that must be presented in a court of law must prove a person's guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. To be arrested and have your name bandied out in the open as part of this whole mess is embarassing enough. To have your character assasinated by individuals who are only getting their information through hearsay is even worse.

I don't condone the act of child exploitation and pornography. The thought of it makes me sick to my stomach. But I also can't accept the type of lynch mob mentality that comes as a natural reaction to somethng like this. Our soceity is based on the assumption of innocence. If you're more suited to living in a soceity based on the assumption of guilt, then just imagine for a moment what it would feel like to wear the shoes of the accused.

[magmonkey]

we had a local field owner around here (I went to his field once and got the feeling he was a WACK JOB and never went back) be arested and convicted for molesting some younger male players.
I HATE to hear about things like this sooooo much

[SlartyBartFast]

Evidence that must be presented in a court of law must prove a person's guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Common and unfortunate misconception. The correct concept is REASONABLE doubt.

BIG difference.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Common and unfortunate misconception. The correct concept is REASONABLE doubt.

BIG difference.

Nonetheless, it is morally reprehensible to assail the accused based on hearsay without the benefit of due process.

This thread should be closed down.

[Muzikman]

I would not be defending this person at all. Even if he is innocent, the fact that they had enough evidence to arrest him is enough to not make him upstanding citizen and someone I would not want to be associated with.

EDIT: Also, there is nothing wrong with the public commenting on a press release. It's not like this is a rumor. It's not even like this is just some news agency releasing this info. It's the NJ Attoney General's office. Again, I would not want little kids going to this guys field, guilty or not.

[PBX Ronin 23]

I would not be defending this person at all. Even if he is innocent, the fact that they had enough evidence to arrest him is enough to not make him upstanding citizen and someone I would not want to be associated with.

EDIT: Also, there is nothing wrong with the public commenting on a press release. It's not like this is a rumor. It's not even like this is just some news agency releasing this info. It's the NJ Attoney General's office. Again, I would not want little kids going to this guys field, guilty or not.

I agree with your sentiments. But from what I heard, some people on that list just so happen to have been sent the file without asking for it. Their sin seems to have been opening and trying to find out what the file content was. If they opened it and found the contents morally reprehensible and deleted the file, they are still technically guilty according to the authorities.

Wading through the truth and finding justice in there somewhere is not the province of anyone outside the criminal justice system. That is exactly what I'm professing.

[Vendetta]

I would not be defending this person at all. Even if he is innocent, the fact that they had enough evidence to arrest him is enough to not make him upstanding citizen and someone I would not want to be associated with.

You are assuming that law enforcement never makes any mistakes. Try having your door kicked down and having sub-machine guns pointed at your head, because they are serving a warrant to the wrong address.

They sometimes make mistakes, or are deliberately deceived.