Interpreting Sig rules

[shartley]

[Lohman446]

Come now Shartley, I work on police cars and know the officers around here fairly well both on and off duty. How often are police vehicles making test "radio runs" well in excess of the speed limit without emergency indicators on and for really no purpose other than to get someplace quicker. How many officers routinely ignore the speed limit both on duty and in there personal vehicles without any concern of speeding tickets. Is it right, that in the county I live in 90% of the officers would not write me a ticket? Face it, especially with moderators here, those giving up there time without pay to moderate this may be entitled to some leniency, right or wrong. Is it fair? Most definelty not... but to quote something "Life's tough, get a helmet".

Disclaimer that I seem to have to make as of late: This is honestly meant to advance discussion, not to be rude or mean, I apologize now if it is. There is a side to this that a lot of people don't want to see, I am trying to see both sides and bring up the second, even if I do not agree totally with it.

[RobAGD]

You all have selective enforcment on the brain.

Its NOT a matter of selective enforcment, It a matter of how the rules are read and when more than 1 human is involved in making a desision on how something should be taken you will get a differnt responce from each, given that persons experance.

The part of my sig that is questionable is that, the way I read the rules its not, the way load or MarkM may read them it maybe. TO be honest I dont care if they edit something out of my sig or turn the sig off for that post. Unlike way too many people on AO I am not going to piss and moan about it. People need to get over it.

An intresting aside, for some reason when I post from my palm it wont let me turn off the sigs

-Robert

[shartley]

Come now Shartley, I work on police cars and know the officers around here fairly well both on and off duty. How often are police vehicles making test "radio runs" well in excess of the speed limit without emergency indicators on and for really no purpose other than to get someplace quicker. How many officers routinely ignore the speed limit both on duty and in there personal vehicles without any concern of speeding tickets. Is it right, that in the county I live in 90% of the officers would not write me a ticket? Face it, especially with moderators here, those giving up there time without pay to moderate this may be entitled to some leniency, right or wrong. Is it fair? Most definelty not... but to quote something "Life's tough, get a helmet".

Disclaimer that I seem to have to make as of late: This is honestly meant to advance discussion, not to be rude or mean, I apologize now if it is. There is a side to this that a lot of people don't want to see, I am trying to see both sides and bring up the second, even if I do not agree totally with it.

[Lohman446]

I will gladly agree with you on one thing here Sam... but before I do let me take an aside. When I point to the odd side of an argument it does not mean that I endorse it, I think it important to understand both sides of situations before making a judgement. I try to avoid making a judgement on these boards, though it seems I often do anyways.

Back to what we agree on. Things lately have been getting out of hand, people are getting upset over the little stuff. I can barely make a post in consideration of what would be a non-popular view point without having someone blow up (not you). People... if things are wrong and they are minor, correct them, move on... lets get over this making issues out of everything.

[shartley]

I will gladly agree with you on one thing here Sam... but before I do let me take an aside. When I point to the odd side of an argument it does not mean that I endorse it, I think it important to understand both sides of situations before making a judgement. I try to avoid making a judgement on these boards, though it seems I often do anyways.

Back to what we agree on. Things lately have been getting out of hand, people are getting upset over the little stuff. I can barely make a post in consideration of what would be a non-popular view point without having someone blow up (not you). People... if things are wrong and they are minor, correct them, move on... lets get over this making issues out of everything.

I agree.

[Steelrat]

A person who has been a member for a while and received a permenant ban is not a little thing, at least in my opinion.

[Muzikman]

If the person was offended or wanted to clarify a sig rule, shouldn't they have not just PMed a mod? If you see a cop breaking the law and you go to the news paper and post it publicly I am sure that cop will blame that citizen, not for pointing it out, but for making it public.

And why can people not get over this LPB crap?

[Lohman446]

A person who has been a member for a while and received a permenant ban is not a little thing, at least in my opinion.

When I say you in this post, I don't necessarily mean you, I cared so little about the problems that I didn't look at names involved deeply, just watched it with the sick awe of a train wreck.

And here comes one of those unpopular opinions, though this one I admit to accepting as true.

If we are referring to LPB he was temp banned for a flame of another member, a clear violation of the rules.

He then circumvented a ban and made a public post - and was perm banned as a result according to teh rules - now I'm told there is more to why he was banned, but these seem to be the facts that everyone can agree to.

Rather than dealing with the moderators privately a select group of people decided to make this there cause and had a hissy fit on the boards in public, in direct challenge to the moderators.

Had these people been proper, and discussed it privately rather than having a pissing contest with the moderators we would probably have LPB back now.. instead they won't let this die out of the public members of these boards eyes. If this was allowed to die down, to be let go, and to get over it - LPB might be allowed to come back in time (I don't know that, not a moderator), but if you continue to make this issue the center of attention, if you continue to make this an issue to challenge the moderators over than he will not be.

What have we gained in our current pissing contests with the mods (not all surrounding LPB)- you have likely lost the most lenient moderator, the one most likely to undo a permanent ban. You have made it an "us" vs "them" issue with the moderators, and forced the moderators into a corner. Now they are sticking together, the chances of having a perm ban overturned right this moment, at least to me... miniscule. If you let this situation die down, and get forgotten - you stand a chance.

Personally, I think if you had all grown up, and handled the situation like adults rather than like my four year old it would be over, we would have LPB back and we could have all moved on. You chose to make it a public "my clique is so important you have to listen and the rules don't apply to me" contest. Sure your going to find things the moderators have done as wrong, and things I have done and said in the past as wrong, as well as many others. They are let go because when we are called on them we apologize, accept our punishment (if any), don't circumvent our punishment, and let it move into the past.

So get over it, LPB was banned for violation of the rules - he was perma banned for something that is obvious - he circumvented a ban. If some people would shut up and let things calm down then you might get him back, keep it a topic of everyday conversation what choice do you leave the mods? To bring him back is to pronounce that clique above the rules... let time be on your side, quit forcing them into this contest, your not going to win with your current tactics, try something else like letting things die down.

[shartley]

If the person was offended or wanted to clarify a sig rule, shouldn't they have not just PMed a mod? If you see a cop breaking the law and you go to the news paper and post it publicly I am sure that cop will blame that citizen, not for pointing it out, but for making it public.

And why can people not get over this LPB crap?

[RobAGD]

Sam, it would be a an issue if I had broken the rules, I have not.

As to the EMBSTC issue is the fact that what that is meant to be inflamatory towards a member of the forums.

Also the differnace is the following :

Mister44 said he offered to suck the penis

Emagballer never said such and someone was making a person attack on his person by making that referance.

-Robert

[Lohman446]

Sam, it would be a an issue if I had broken the rules, I have not.

-Robert

What's scary is I was going to call BS on that one... and I read the rules closely looking for the rule it was in violation of. I couldn't find one specific rule that it clearly violated, even if I personally think it would be best not to be there. Figures that mod. would know the rules betterthan me

[Army]

However...I still have nice firm little boobs.

[RobAGD]

However...I still have nice firm little boobs.

Why yes you Do Dave yes you Do

Hahha

-R

[Eric Cartman]

I'm dyin' to get an "In before the lock" in here, but I'll try to add something worthwhile as well so as not to annoy Rob.

If Rob says he hasn't broken any rules with his sig, then I think we have to accept that. I certainly think that some of the content in the sig would result in a warning from some of the other mods. If anyone feels strongly enough about this, then copy some of the content from his sig and make it your own and see if anything happens to it... then again, you could just let it go as it's really not a big deal.

Here's a serious question. Does anyone know if LPB has attempted to contact any of the mods and offer a sincere appology for his actions and ask to be reinstated? I'm not getting into whether or not he should have to, and whether or not his perm ban was justified. I'm just wondering if he's made any sincere effort to return to AO. Just curious.