Interpreting Sig rules

[Eric Cartman]

However...I still have nice firm little boobs.

Where's the "this thread is useless without pics" gif when you need it?

Just kidding, I have no desire whatsoever to see Army's boobs, regardless of how firm they may be!

[shartley]

[Kevmaster]

If all the mods/admins 'get back' from modding AO is a little leniency and courtesy from other mods and the ability to stretch the rules just a wee bit to fit what they're doing, I certainly think we are all still getting a great deal for the mods we have.

They do so much and work quite quite hard, and thats all they get in return from us? A little frickin unquestionability? Thats a great bargin....a great ****ing bargin.

[Muzikman]

That's it....Ban Kevmaster...there are *'s in his post! I want a perm ban damnit!

[Lohman446]

Agreed.. and my posts just got a whole lot more fun, basically as long as I don't flame anyone, activate the curse filter, or circumvent the curse filter I'm good.. This is going to be fun. Where I thought some of my posts before pushed the rules I found out I was a long way from them, apparently there is no "spirit" of the rules, but only as they are written. I'm not complaining about this at all actually.

PS - I still think the mods deserve some leniency for there service, though I understand the other view point very well and see its merit. And no, I'm not trying to be a jerk towards Rob here, regardless of what I may come off as.

[Thordic]

I find it ironic that my signature was singled out for linking to material off AO that was "sexually inappropriate". (That was one of the complaints that was mentioned time and time again, especially by Rob. That there was a thread with a sexually explicit title that seemed to draw a lot of ire from mods here)

I guess this is "sexually appropriate" then. I'm glad now I know the difference.

[Z-man]

If we are referring to LPB he was temp banned for a flame of another member, a clear violation of the rules.

Yep no argument here

He then circumvented a ban and made a public post - and was perm banned as a result according to the rules - now I'm told there is more to why he was banned, but these seem to be the facts that everyone can agree to.

Yep when he made his new account to PM Cphill his posted a public message as well. Another mistake.

Rather than dealing with the moderators privately a select group of people decided to make this there cause and had a hissy fit on the boards in public, in direct challenge to the moderators.

Sounds like how DiRtY BuNnY has survived around here through his many bans.

Yep. They got the job I don't want. They get to make the no fun calls and deal with the crap from it. Sorta like (it should be) in public office. more work, more responsibility.


Now what have do have to add to the

pissing

(mods and pissing group is this worth loosing to you?[/i]

In this case, Ill step out and say yes. I would like to see LPB back. "When" is your call. May I suggest you reconsider never as a poor choice.

[Steelrat]

Actually, my understanding is that LPB got a temp ban for two sig violations. Without knowing what was going on, he made a new account, and PM'd a mod. At the same time he apparently made two posts, one of which was apparently inflammatory, which he deleted on his own. The other was regarding an upcoming Norcal event.

Why won't I get over it? Because I think it is ridiculous that the mods brought back pretty much everyone that was recently banned EXCEPT for him, even though he takes full responsiblity for what he did. I also think that it is hipocritical to try and defend using the phrase "suck my dick" as being completely appropriate. I can think of a whole slew of phrases along similar lines involving licking, eating, and sucking various objects, am I to believe that such phrases are allowable now?

Plus, LPB is a friend who I have played with multiple times, and I stick up for my friends when I think they have been wronged.

[Lohman446]

Actually, my understanding is that LPB got a temp ban for two sig violations. Without knowing what was going on, he made a new account, and PM'd a mod. At the same time he apparently made two posts, one of which was apparently inflammatory, which he deleted on his own. The other was regarding an upcoming Norcal event.

Why won't I get over it? Because I think it is ridiculous that the mods brought back pretty much everyone that was recently banned EXCEPT for him, even though he takes full responsiblity for what he did. I also think that it is hipocritical to try and defend using the phrase "suck my dick" as being completely appropriate. I can think of a whole slew of phrases along similar lines involving licking, eating, and sucking various objects, am I to believe that such phrases are allowable now?

Plus, LPB is a friend who I have played with multiple times, and I stick up for my friends when I think they have been wronged.

You do understand the argument.. had you waited this long and then asked privately, that he would probably be back now right? You seldom win against those in authoritative positions in public arguments, though you will find, in private they are just people, and often prone to compromise.

As for the phrases that are acceptable, based on Rob's interpertation I now beleive as long as I do not flame anyone, as long as it is not a pickup line, and as long as I don't activate or circumvent the cuss filter its ok. I think its a bad step in the lines of AO... I think it could have been handled better, but apparently the rules are as they are written, by letter, not be spirit.

[RobAGD]

Steelrat -

LPB was warned then had no less than 2 additional sig violations. Then he created an accountand posted under that account. He was banned and then perm banned. Those arethe rules on that issue. As an added plus he has gotten severalof his "friends" banned as well for usingthier accounts and making once again un acceptable sigs.

I dont think that shows any sign of being sorry for what he did.

He was not banned in the issue with Throdic, he was banned for other reasons. Get over it.

-R

[RobAGD]

I think its a bad step in the lines of AO... I think it could have been handled better, but apparently the rules are as they are written, by letter, not be spirit.

Here is the problem. We tried the spirit thing and everyong have a fit because it was too vauge or not spelled out that its not in the rules etc etc. So where does that leave us ? You can't have it both ways.

AO is forging its own path to hell.

-Robert

[Steelrat]

Get over it.

-R

Nice.

EDIT: As for AO, this comes to mind...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

[Aegis]

Well, thanks for keeping this thread open for this long. I think there is something missing, though.

As a member of AO I have some concerns. Obviously it has to do with the rules, and obviously it was brought on by LPB' ban. But as far as I know it is a perma-ban, so we must move forward.

Again, I am also a member here. So if I have legitimate questions about what is going to happen moving forward then it should be OK to ask. In my first effort, the response was "I assume you are talking about LPB" and the thread was locked. This one is going in the same direction.

Admittedly, the topic of this post might not have been the best way to broach the issue. I was irritated. However, it did jump out at me when I was looking into how one would contact a moderator.

The questions I still have are

- how can you be banned without violating the rules?

- If you are, how do you communicate with the mods to discuss it?

- And now, one more - Why can't I, as a member of AO, ask these questions and get a straight answer?


I am a big supporter of moderated forums, and I understand that it can be difficult. As a parent and a businessman, I also understand the importance of being consistent, and of being able to admit when you are wrong, or at least to have an open mind.

As far as the "Clique" comment, I understand where you might be coming from, but realize that the AO NorCal bunch is rather unique in that we actually know each other and meet in person to play paintball on occasion. This is due to AO, for which I will always be grateful. This is the friendliest bunch of 'ballers you will ever meet, and all are welcome. That is also why people get worked up over the treatment of their friends - it ain't cyberspace anymore.

With that said, let's try to stop dissecting LPB's ban in public and try to get my questions answered.

[Aegis]

Nice.

EDIT: As for AO, this comes to mind...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Is this the first case of a Yeats quote on AO? Somebody put a plaque down to commemorate this date.

[Potatoboy]

LPB Was not permabanned for his sig.

He had a 7 day ban for his sig, which was grossly in violation of the rules, which he was aware of as he had been edited before.

By grossly in violation, I mean that there was a transparent gif, well above the dimensional restrictions place in his sig intentionally, to take up space.

In the middle of serving that ban, he registered and activated a new account, and then used that account to PM and Post on the forums.

The ban evasion earned him a perm ban.

When he spoke to me about it, I let him know what had happened, and it was quite obviously he wanted to be unbanned immediately. When I told him that he would at least have to serve the inital temp ban, he was upset and wanted even more information. In fact, he was demanding information that wasn't even there, and wanted to discuss his ban further, after I had told him exactly what had happened, and that at least for the moment the decision was final.

As far as contacting the mods:
If you've been banned, it's probably for quite a legitimate reason, such as the one stated above. Most people are aware that they've broken the rules, and are simply trying to talk their way out of a situation. Not only is it a waste of the mod's time when someone does this, I know personally that it can be quite frustrating.

Most of the mods have an AIM, or email listed in the "Meet the Mods" section, or can be found in the IRC chat room. If the mod that is responsible for your banning isn't available by any of these methods, generally one of the other mods will gladly pass on a note for you stating that you want to talk about your ban.