Interpreting Sig rules

[spacedtedybear]

Since I'm probably one of the few in the AO-Norcal group who have yet to voice his opinion/ pose questions about this matter.......

From what I gather from the banned list, the punishments have been fairly consistent with the given offenses. Now from what I have been able to gather, LPB was initially given a three day ban for sig text abuse and flaming. Then he was given a perm ban for circumvention. ( Is there anything I'm missing?). Was he warned before the 1st ban and the perm ban? Somebody PM me the details. I'd rather read about that situation privately.

A perm. ban is pretty harsh punishment. Although the guilty party has to be punished for breaking the rules. I am however concerned as to how a perm ban occures. If a single member of the mod team has the power to click a perm ban at his/her discretion, than it may not be entirely fair to those who post on these forums. No matter how objective any of us, and those in the moderation team may be, there will always be certain predisposition regarding certain attitudes and behaviors of other members. If it is discussed among the other members of the mod team before a perm. ban is given, than that is an entirely different matter. Yes punishments must be given fairly and equally, however there is room for leniency in our laws and the rules of this board.

Is it fair for a person who has done nothing but good and contributes to society, only to be outcast for a brief lapse of judgement? It may be fair, but to be fair does not always equate to it being right.

Ok.... that took me a while to write.

[Z-man]

Back from dinner.

Yes I too would like to hear more on this. Something is not adding up if you don't respond to the PM's and you don't answer the questions here in public. Is that at what you want really? Get out or shut up?

....I bet I can still organize the NorCal SoCal Day off AO.

[Potatoboy]

What questions?

It's been explained over and over again in this thread exactly what happened.

Just look at my posts. People keep asking questions about this rule and that, and they're usually promptly answered. Just because you aren't getting the answers you're looking for doesn't mean the question was ignored.

To sum up the last round of questions to the best of my knowledge yet again:

No, the MonsterMag and LPB bans are not the same.

Yes, LPB was warned numerous times about both his sig and the flaming before his initial ban.

No, He wasn't warned before the perm ban, as it was a result of ban evasion, which is clearly in violation of the rules, (assuming you have two brain cells to rub together to realize that if it was ok to evade a ban, then we wouldn't ban you in the first place)

LPB's ban evasion also included posting in another flame thread. If it had not been for this, I would have NOT permbanned him. This was his fault, He did it, and he knew it was wrong seeing how and tried to erase the post. Before anyone brings up the fact that since he removed the post he should be absolved for the offense, let me draw a gross parallel. If one commits a murder, and one hides the body because one knows that the act they just commited is wrong, should that make them exempt from punishment?

[cabldawg]

ok since you decided to bring up brain cells and yes I damn sure got more than 2. Lets see what your count is read my last 4 posts in this thread

[Blennidae]

LPB's ban was a combonation of sig issues, and flaming another member.

His permban was also a result of creating a new account, and using that account to continue to flame that member.

The situations are similar, but are no means identical.

Having had this info (which is not posted in the banned forum) would have stopped me from bringing this back up.

You know whats almost funny, I was about to bring up to the other mods about letting LPB back, welp guess whats not going to happen now ?

You all need to let it go, if you dont like it go away. I am sick of the crying about this or that.

If LPB is brought up again to compare terms of punishments or to try and draw some tagent from his issue to someone elses it going to get that person a 30 day ban.

Any questions about that ?

-R

So I guess I get to be the bad guy for blowing LPBs chance for redemption, oops.

As for the 30 day ban for bringing it up, is that really warrented? Will this new rule be added to the rest of the rules so some unsuspecting poster won't get burned if they haven't read this particular thread? No offense, but it sounds like sour grapes to me.

You can't please everyone, and while I don't think the perma ban is warrented, I can live with the decision. But you as mods should be prepared to answer the occasional question and respond in a way to hopefully satisfy the person who asked it.

Not everybody may agree with Potatoboy's answer, but it did satisfy my original question.

[Automaggot68]

Warning: Posting in his behalf using PMs to coordinate is a form of ban circumvention.

Hey guess what? If he's banned, how can he PM me?
I'm posting on his behalf because Nick is a Stand up guy, he's always been a good trader to me, and a great friend.
Thats pathetic that you're resorting to that.

[Potatoboy]

ok since you decided to bring up brain cells and yes I damn sure got more than 2. Lets see what your count is read my last 4 posts in this thread

Speaking of counting..... that was your 4th post in this thread, I assume you mean to ask me to read your last three.

I can only guess as to why your email was not read, as I am not currently a Moderator on the AO forums. I would suspect it is because it was likely something that had already been, or was about to be discussed in this thread.

[Potatoboy]

Having had this info (which is not posted in the banned forum) would have stopped me from bringing this back up.

Not everybody may agree with Potatoboy's answer, but it did satisfy my original question.

At the time, there was no ban forum. This is one of the reasons why it was created, at the suggest of myself and Miscue.

[Aegis]

What questions?

From one post:

- how can you be banned without violating the rules?

- If you are, how do you communicate with the mods to discuss it?

Another post:

>He had a 7 day ban for his sig, which was grossly in violation of the rules, which he was ?
>aware of as he had been edited before.

Which rule?

>As far as contacting the mods:
>If you've been banned, it's probably for quite a legitimate reason, such as the one stated
>above. Most people are aware that they've broken the rules, and are simply trying to talk
>their way out of a situation. Not only is it a waste of the mod's time when someone does
>this, I know personally that it can be quite frustrating.

I'm not quite clear on this last part. Can you elaborate? Should someone contact a mod or not?

Another post:

Well, we do have the three strike law. The outcome can be different for the same event, based on the history of the perpetrator.

In general, I think you would find that the crimes were fairly well defined and that the penalties, while different, followed established guidelines.

Do you feel that is the case here?


There's a few.

[cabldawg]

that e mail was sent around 6pm yesterday

[RobAGD]

Having had this info (which is not posted in the banned forum) would have stopped me from bringing this back up.

Guess what, Its none of your bussiness to be honest about it, so dont worry about it.

So I guess I get to be the bad guy for blowing LPBs chance for redemption, oops.

Yep, Hope you feel all warm and fuzzy.

As for the 30 day ban for bringing it up, is that really warrented? Will this new rule be added to the rest of the rules so some unsuspecting poster won't get burned if they haven't read this particular thread? No offense, but it sounds like sour grapes to me.

Well lets see how well people start paying attention when I start handing out 30 day bans because they cant follow a simple instrustion as to leave something lay. Once again, it not thier business so dont get into it. And its not sour grapes it being fed up with users on this forum that think for some damn reason they have some god given right to have a say in punishments that get handed down on users that break the rules.

-R

[-=Squid=-]

... What was Automaggot banned for? Pointing out a fallacy conceived by the "Mod Team?" I don't get it. Please don't tell me that another "Random-ban" epidemic is about to break out...

[RobAGD]

Its not random.

And Dont worry about it. Again its not your business.

-R

[cabldawg]

yes I know I'm gonna get a 30 day ban. If I think something is wrong I question it. Thats my right and sometimes it may even be a moral obligation. You made the comment that you were gonna talk with the other mods about LPB but since all this came out. notta! that sounds a bit childish to me. As I read your last post it just infuriated me that you could take that attitude with these peaple. maybe you should have counted to 10 prior to posting. I did but I still feel that I needed to say something

I have a couple other post in this thread if you would take the time read them and then confirm that the mod team was sent an E-mail yesterday

Then do what you feel you must
hope ya have a better tomorrow cus it sure looks like ya didn't have a good one today

[-=Squid=-]

Its not random.

And Dont worry about it. Again its not your business.

-R

Well, it shared a direct association with my ban...