Interpreting Sig rules

[Lohman446]

I know... if sigs are goign to be such a problem with pissing and moaning, lets just get rid of them

[shartley]

-bolded by SCpoloRicker



O.K. So what's the million dollar answer?


btw, I agree that the easiest answer would have been for noone to piss and moan; and this would eventually lead to re-instatement for all involved.

Also, a lot of the initial flamewars of a month ago directed at two specific younger members was at least tacitly approved of by some of the moderators.

[FallNAngel]

My sig does not break ANY rules. It maybe in poor taste, it may not be Black and white good or bad but I put it there for a reason.

I assume that reason is because you like the text? If not, what is the reason?

Part of the reason we put limit on sig is that no one would turn the damn things off so you got the 800x600 imgae at the end of ever post buy some people.

That's peachy... but I wasn't talking about images or length (though yours does seem lengthy, you're not posting it either). I'm referring to the last line in your signature. Although I'm sure it's funny in the context that it had and may have other memories attached, it doesn't mean it's any more appropriate. Obviously someone found your signature, so it can be found. Obviously there are people who also find it offensive and not a PG-13 / Family oriented comment... or does just what you think matter?

I manually turn my off on almost all of my post. Again I turn it off for a reason. I am held to the same basic rules as everyone else.

That's peachy, does that mean I can put porn in my signature if I turn it off as well?

I do not work for AGD, I help them run thier online forum. I folow the RULES that Tom has layed out for us. We follow the rules as he set them out.

...and as you make them up as you go along...

We have many other things to do here and in our own lives that we should not have to explain why ever person that get a ban is banned. Take it that its a simple matter of the fact they screwed up.

Yes, but how do we know how not to screw up if you don't tell us? I mean, what if someone else made a thread asking about LPB, would you ban them? I mean, it's not in the rules, but you said in this thread you'd ban them. Perhaps an addition to the rules of "Public discussion of banned members is not allowed"

Suck it up and serve your time, pissing and moaning about it it's going to change anything.

Serve what time? I'm not argueing on the merits of whether LPB or anyone else should or should not have been banned, no offense to them, but I don't care about that. Chances are quite good that they knew what they were doing when they got banned. I'm referring to your signature, as it is now.

I have to say that on the 10-15 forums I am on I dont see a ONE that has to go into the deatils of user bans like we do on AO, I think it a sign the people here think way too much of them selves and thier value to the boards.

Or perhaps we're just a closer community that wants to know what's going on instead of being kept in the dark. For instance, when AutoMaggot68 was banned, did you know he wasn't referring to LPB? Perhaps Squid was asking why he was banned because he wanted to clear up confusion and get someone who was wrongfully unbanned allowed back on the forums. Instead, we're told to "mind our own business". That is why we ask questions.

I'm not trying to flame, or be arguementative here Rob. It just seems too much like you're saying "There's nothing wrong with my signature, I'm leaving it because what I say goes", when you have several users saying, "Honestly, I don't think that's family oriented content". It may be PG-13 in a "funny teen movie a-la American Pie" type of joke, but it's not something I'd joke about at the dinner table.

nothing that happen on this little box will truely effect you in the real world

Tell that to the people who have businesses on this forum

[SpecialBlend2786]

nothing that happen on this little box will truely effect you in the real world [...]

wrong.

and sam that was the best post i've seen in awhile.

[SCpoloRicker]

wrong.

and sam that was the best post i've seen in awhile.

crap, me too.

[FallNAngel]

and sam that was the best post i've seen in awhile.

I agree, I had missed it while I was posting my response.

[-=Squid=-]

Ok, this question keeps getting overlooked by Rob.

Why was Automaggot banned?

Don't try to tell me to mind my business, or that he was banned for a reason, because he wasn't. He is a friend of mine, and I know for a fact that the only reason he was banned was because he "wouldn't drop the LPB issue." Wait... That never happened. He was talking about ME. You screwed up. At this point I can only assume you won't admit that you screwed up?

[1stdeadeye]

Nice post Sam!

I will just say that some people like to lord their power over the internet due to a lack of power in the real world. Some people need to get a life....or at least a place of their own.

[RobAGD]

Intresting that you still just dont get it.

You keep making incorrect assumptions, making digs at things you cant not even begin to understand.

You assume that you are have a right to know everything that goes on here, you dont.

You assume that you diserve some kind of answer when you ask, again incorrect.

FallNAngel - in responce to your query about the p0rn in the sigs. That would be a link to subject material that is not allowed. The stuff in my sig is not against any of the rules. If your sig is 500 lines long and on one ever sees it unless they click on your profile I could care less. As long as you dont have links to material or image that are generally not allowed on the forums again I dont care. The problem comes from the fact that people cant seem to turn thier sigs off, so we imposted a limit on them.

Again I dont go looking for them, if its not in a post I dont worry about it.

Sam - You were unbanned because you whinned to Tom like a little girl, and to be honest if your posts didnt generate the page views they DID, then he would have left the ban. So dont get all atwitter because your ban got over turned.

-Robert

[-=Squid=-]

Things that I can't even begin to understand? What is there to not understand? You screwed up and are two much of an internet badass to admit it.

[spantol]

You assume that you are have a right to know everything that goes on here, you dont.

I didn't hear anyone make that claim. What people are assuming is that when they ask an administrator a direct question related to forum matters, that question will be addressed. While the forum rules do not explicitly guarentee that members' voices will be heard, such an assumption is certainly consistent with the forum's mores, and civilized discourse in general.

Part of what used to distinguish AO from other forums is that its members weren't satisfied with mere assertions and conventional wisdom, and often asked hard, pointed questions to get to the truth of matters. I'm sure it's terribly inconvenient for you when that tradition gets personal, but, as you've said, it's just a message board...

You assume that you diserve some kind of answer when you ask, again incorrect.

We assume that since the administrators and moderators expect a degree of civility out of us, that we can expect the same in turn. Clearly, that's asking too much from some.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Ok, this question keeps getting overlooked by Rob.

Why was Automaggot banned?

Don't try to tell me to mind my business, or that he was banned for a reason, because he wasn't. He is a friend of mine, and I know for a fact that the only reason he was banned was because he "wouldn't drop the LPB issue." Wait... That never happened. He was talking about ME.

agreed. I still cant see why he was banned. maybe i'm not reading between the lines...or maybe he was banned for no reason....

[FallNAngel]

FallNAngel - in responce to your query about the p0rn in the sigs. That would be a link to subject material that is not allowed. The stuff in my sig is not against any of the rules. If your sig is 500 lines long and on one ever sees it unless they click on your profile I could care less. As long as you dont have links to material or image that are generally not allowed on the forums again I dont care. The problem comes from the fact that people cant seem to turn thier sigs off, so we imposted a limit on them.

You're still not understanding what I'm saying. I agree with the length "problem" It's not used in posts, it's not a big deal. I'm referring to the *CONTENT*. You keep saying that your sig isn't in violation of the rules, when several people have said that the last line is not what we'd consider family oriented material. I'm not sure what kind of home you grew up in, but I know my mom would probably smack me upside the head if I tried joking about some guy offering some other guy head. Even if she didn't care, it's just plain inappropriate for this forum.

Sam - You were unbanned because you whinned to Tom like a little girl, and to be honest if your posts didnt generate the page views they DID, then he would have left the ban. So dont get all atwitter because your ban got over turned.

Wow, now the admin is resorting to name calling. Come on man, what are you... 12? Going to Tom to talk about being banned because an admin of the site is on a power trip is "whinning like a little girl" I think it's rather sad that an Admin of an online forum has degraded himself down to name calling. We're trying to approach this in a rather civil manner, please do the same for us.

You also STILL have not said why automaggot has been banned when he was CLEARLY wrongfully banned. You keep saying that we have no right to know the reasons for banning automaggot. You say you banned him because he mentioned LPB... which is obviously not the case. Now you're just being too bullheaded to just plain admit you were wrong, apologize and unban him. What is it? Pride? Just don't want to appear that you're not the all knowing admin that you claim to be? You make mistakes just like the rest of us... I'm sure this isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. If there was another reason for banning him, spit it out so we aren't kept in the dark, otherwise, it's just appearing that you're on a power trip and trying to convince everyone you're not wrong.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Wow, now the admin is resorting to name calling. Come on man, what are you... 12?

its funny cause LPB is 12

[RobAGD]

Things that I can't even begin to understand? What is there to not understand? You screwed up and are two much of an internet badass to admit it.

Has nothing to do with being an "internet badass" it has to do with the simple fact your pissed that I am not going into detail about a person I banned. I have in the pass made mistakes and corrected them. I have had user ask me to look into a ban issue and I did so.

That simple, this has been a rather intresting experment. People cant even read a simple rule and obey that rule. They feel some odd need to push around something and then get upset because they got the ban they knew would come.

I have people making some kind of dig about me having to call my mother because I am out late.

I have people saying I am power crazed, I have walked away from this job before. Its not that important to me.

I do this job because I was asked to. I have been fair in how I do things around here. Now people push and I push back with in the limits that are placed one me.

I put things in my sigs to see who reacts, I see who is going to have fits and I know thats going to happen. I also know the Rules and I am not breaking them. Thats the differnace, I KNOW the rules and stay within them. If thats cutting a fine line then so be it.

But making assumption on what I do here and for what reasons will results in you making more of an arse out of yourself than you know.

You know oddly enought only one person has contacted me about thier ban. Intresting No ?

-R