PSP Impliments 15 BPS Cap; WAS Responds.

[Scooter/Cootie]

Check it out.

PSP 15 BPS Cap:

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=815997

Section 3.5 in PSP Rule Book at www.pspevents.com/rules/PSPEQRules1.05.doc


Wicked Air Sportz (WAS) Response:
http://www.68caliber.com/news/tournament/story04706.php

[Lohman446]

Anyone else find it ironic, that WAS - who many implicate in the prevelance of the current "bounce" situation due to the 0 debounce setting - is the one taking a stance on this?

PS - many implicate does not mean it was there fault and others had not done it first, or that others would not have done it. However, one has to at least accept that a 0 debounce setting did have something to do with bouncey markers.

[Lurker27]

Don't pin it on WAS, debounce over 15 IS noticeable. Adjustable can lead to a very fast and legal setup.

SP started bounce, not WAS.

[Lohman446]

Don't pin it on WAS, debounce over 15 IS noticeable. Adjustable can lead to a very fast and legal setup.

SP started bounce, not WAS.

I wasn't trying to pin it on WAS... there are a lot of people - players, promotors, manufacturers etc. that are responsible for where we are today, but don't try to paint WAS as having perfectly clean hands either.

[Vanced]

I like the sound of their reply...

But anything comming of it... That is still to be seen...

[Muzikman]

Smart Parts introduced Ramping, not bounce.

WAS started bounce.

[Muzikman]

Wow, ok, I just finished reading the new rule and WAS's statement. This is the first time I ever agreed with WAS. When organizations started talking about a 15 bps limit and allowing full-auto and ramping, I questioned what the insurance companies were thinking. WAS seems to think that they do not know, which I wouldn't find hard to believe. I also think that what WAS is talking about doing will hurt and help the industry. If you make the insurance companies scared enough not to insure an event, then maybe we will see a change in the ROF wars that are going on between companies. The problem is how do you police it.

[Lohman446]

My opinion on this - if you convince the insurance company that 15 3 gram projectiles at 300FPS on a single target has a realistic chance of industry when is the insurance company going to decide that if 15 can do it, 1 can do it. IMO if there is a serious danger to 15 then we have to be worried about 1.

Umm.. basically I don't think WAS can show any danger to 15BPS fire rates... but I don't think that PSP can show scientifically its safety either. I could be very wrong.

[Muzikman]

The problem is there have been injuries already in the sport that doctors accuse the repeated hits to the same area of the body as the reason (namely the head). So WAS would actually have some weapons of proof. Until safety gear gets better, the higher rates of fire are going to be more dangerous.

I would love to get HiTech and Beemers opinion on there....where you guys at?

[Scott Hudnall]

That's incredibly interesting reading ..... the WAS reply, that is.

I found it interesting that NPPL studies have shown that most tournament players only shoot 9 to 11 bps....hmmm......with only a few being able to sustain 15+ bps. That blows the ROF argument out of the water, on all fronts.

Insurance and ASTM standards (I sincerely hope) will soon dictate the outcome of this debate. No promotor is going to be stupid enough to hold a tourny with no insurance.



FROM THE WAS REPLY:
"We stated a concern that ramping is unsafe. The PSP stated that they needed to end cheating and believes that "they [players] can average at least 15 - 20 balls a second. And that is just what most of them average." This is simply not the case. As proven by the NPPL's ballistics chrono, tournament paintball players shoot an average of 9-11 bps. There are only a handful of players that can actually sustain 15+ bps for any length of time. If the PSP believes that by having markers all shooting at a 15 bps pace they can determine if one of them is shooting 20 bps in bursts, they are fooling themselves. It has already been proven on the field that the PACT timers can not be used during game play because they measure sound, and the background noise (of other markers) false triggers them. There simply is no way to enforce any type of rate of fire rule, or determine if the ramping rule is even being adhered to. This opens the door to cheat modes far more extreme that anything previously used. No longer will a cheater have to be careful about their marker "going off". Nobody will even think twice about it."

[Vanced]

WAS statement is good rehtoric as I said...

But my opinion about all the E-Assisted High ROF issues out there is this... It is going to take enough people getting seriously hurt due to it and enough judges, lawyers, and insurance to put a stop to it...

One Multi-Million Dollar Lawsuit at a time...

Because the single average player, promotor, and idustry exec. won't and probably can't... unless by some miracle of the paintball gods they would actually band together , form a set of standards and protocol and stick to it... and ENFORCE THE OUT OF IT !

Because the so called "excessive" rates of fire are here to stay.. weather they are rule book legal or not until something forces it to stop, or it stops being very profitable...

[Army]

Ironic. Please help me if I'm wrong...

...Didn't WAS/Drew advocate bounce as the next best thing in boards, giving you the ability to fire insane high rates despite your slow clumsy fingers. And didn't we, as the AO community, soundly deride him for his claims of BPS and such?

So now he wants to be the hero in all this?

Puhleeze!

[Lohman446]

Ironic. Please help me if I'm wrong...

...Didn't WAS/Drew advocate bounce as the next best thing in boards, giving you the ability to fire insane high rates despite your slow clumsy fingers. And didn't we, as the AO community, soundly deride him for his claims of BPS and such?

So now he wants to be the hero in all this?

Puhleeze!

I tried to point out the irony twice - you did a better job of it

[shartley]

We will be making new firmware available for the Intimidator and Viking Equalizer boards that basically is the same firmware we have been using for the Impulse, NME, Pimp Kit, etc. for quite some time. This new firmware allows the rate of fire to be set from 10 to 30 bps. However, we will not comply with the ramping rule.

[Lohman446]

[QUOTE=shartley][QUOTE]

WAS and dishonest in the same sentence - ok, not 100% honest, answers your question Sam