PSP Impliments 15 BPS Cap; WAS Responds.

[Muzikman]

Doesn't matter if the rules state that you must have it or not. WAS is taking the stance that if you allow it, everyone will want it. And you know damn well that every player at a PSP event will have this feature in their guns if they can. By WAS not making boards that ramp, no one will buy them when they can go to the next company that will sell them a ramping board.

[SlartyBartFast]

I think it has more to do with WAS not being able to get a bps cap into their artificial intelligence.

That man is so full of it that it's amazing that it doesn't ooze out of his ears.

Bounce/Debounce were never things that a user had to play with.

But give credit where credit is due. The first A-holes to put a techno-babble spin on an electronic marker that fired more times than the trigger was conciously pulled (due to electronic trigger bounce) was SP and the "turbo" mode.

WAS just brought the techno-babble to a new level of stupidity by trying to say it was for bounce of the whole marker moving and causing the gun to cycle/fire.

Or, it may be another reason WAS is against it. All the 'special' WAS boards lose all advantage once all boards are allowed to bounce/turbo/ewhatever and the programming/function doesn't have to be hidden.

I'd like to see one shred of evidence that WAS lived up to this pathetic claim of safety concern with their products.

I also LOVE the reference to the Dumb- WDP "can't program a computer chip patent". What an joke.

BRING ON THE CLOWNS!

[Tunaman]

I just hope the guys that are installing these no-astm approved boards have plenty of insurance.

[shartley]

Doesn't matter if the rules state that you must have it or not. WAS is taking the stance that if you allow it, everyone will want it. And you know damn well that every player at a PSP event will have this feature in their guns if they can. By WAS not making boards that ramp, no one will buy them when they can go to the next company that will sell them a ramping board.

[Beemer]

Who said ASTM and Insurance

Ya, I read the whole thread so I wont quote everybody.

ASTM and Insurance you forgot about the CPSC, not sure if their investagation is still on going. This is gonna get better with the standards when the lawyers are done.

How can you promote or support one ASTM Standard and not follow the rest yourself????
ASTM standard = 1 shot 1 pull..........NO OTHER MODES. Search my other posts and Threads on ASTM Standards and Insurance etc. They didnt go to far cause nobody cares but they will sooner or later.

It IS only the one shot that could do the damage.[thats why you shoud think about full head gear if you want to push the envelope on bps and closer RANGE games] A 3g paintball at 300fp = 13.2 joules[correct me if im wrong] Joules = amount of impact energy. Now let your bud shoot you in the head at 280fps at 20 ft. 10 times in 1 sec
would
you let him do it at 300fps at 10ft, 15 times in 1sec
[bunker or run thru] I would but not with the safety gear we have today. Look at whats not covered by todays gear.[from the shoulders up] Soft tissue exposer.

Wait I just made a thread on whos liable.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=165257

Heres another one

6.5.2 All paintball markers intended to be used with refillable
cylinders shall be able to withstand input pressure of three
thousand pounds per square inch 207 bar (3000 psi) without
catastrophic failure. Leaking in a manner which would not
cause injury to the operator shall not constitute failure.

[Beemer]

oh ya

Ya Muzikman your right as rof goes up saftey factor goes down.

Nows wheres Ronin and Rapid. Hey Ronin wanna play chicken little?

[Automaggin2]

I believe the first modes of ramping came from the old Smart Parts Shocker Turbos. It registered 1.5 pulls per trigger pull.

[REDRT]

I think that everyone of us has take multiple hits to the head. I know I have and I'm fine.

Every time we step on the field we take the chance of getting hurt. 99% of you will disagree, but Why change what isn't broke. The next move will be wearing goggles and using blow guns. Maybe the whole thing should end and go back to Lazer Tag. Wouldn't that be fun!

[CrazyJake]

LOL I know that I'll never play PSP as long as these rules are in effect. I'd be scared to bunker people. I mean at that close of range it's dangerous. It's human reaction thats scary in that situation. If you bunker a person and they flinch, odds are they may just hold down the trigger as you come around and you could end up getting shot more times then anyone would like. I think ramping is dangerous because I'm not sure if goggles can even take that much at close ranges. I love paintball but when you can just ramp it takes away the cool skill and also basically turns the game into sitting back and rocking the trigger.
We may as well bring back lawn darts while we're at it LOL

[Lohman446]

LOL I know that I'll never play PSP as long as these rules are in effect. I'd be scared to bunker people. I mean at that close of range it's dangerous. It's human reaction thats scary in that situation. If you bunker a person and they flinch, odds are they may just hold down the trigger as you come around and you could end up getting shot more times then anyone would like. I think ramping is dangerous because I'm not sure if goggles can even take that much at close ranges. I love paintball but when you can just ramp it takes away the cool skill and also basically turns the game into sitting back and rocking the trigger.
We may as well bring back lawn darts while we're at it LOL

If they flinch and hold down the legal trigger you will get shot once - possibly three times if they have already fired twice that second.

As for the lack of movement... nah, watch the pros play there is no lack of movement. Its people without other skills that depend solely on the ability to shoot fast that make the game boring.

[PBX Ronin 23]

If what Drew is saying about his insurance carrier not willing to provide product liability insurance if his boards have the Ramping Mode, then what are the "other" after market board manufacturers in the industry who have Ramping and other cheater modes on their boards doing for product liability insurance?

There is either some inconsistencies with Drew's insurance carrier's underwriting compared to other carriers OR these other board manufacturers are going out selling their products without the adequate insurance coverage to cover their liability.

If it's the later, do we have another proliferation of "cowboy" business people making products without considering the liabilities associated with those products?

Hmmmm.

[tek4dr]

Its gonna be interesting this year to see the out come of the new rule...

[Toxic Dave]

What alot of you guys don't understand is that the guns capped at 15 bps even with ramp are considerably slower than the markers the majority of players were using last year in the PSP for sure (since that's where my team played) and I'm assuming the same is to be said for the NPPL and and any other league where electronic guns are used.

2 years ago I stared to notice that certain teams had significant rof advantages, and they tended to dominate the division we played in (d2 x ball) there were games that we couldn't get out of the starting box without a wall of paint hitting us against Twisted in Chicago. By the middle of the year this past season EVERYBODY had guns that were capable of the same thing, some were legal, and some weren't. Refs and Mgmt. did their best to stop it, but it's impossible to catch everybody. The NPPL's robot is a neat marketing ploy, but they have one robot for thousands of players, and it ain't gonna catch a gun that does anything to hide it's ramp.

WAS can make all the press releases he wants, fact is he helped create the problem. His real beef is that he didn't pay attention enough to get chips/ boards/ software ready for the rule and he got left behind by those that did like Tadao and Advantage.

If that guy really thinks that the PSP is running a series without Insurance, he's obviously cracked. Knowing the people who own the PSP and the people who run it fairly well, I'm saying it's an impossibilty.

dave

[mark_1791]

We believe that people who cheat should be banned from the sanctioning body's events indefinitely, and the team suspended for the year. If you want to take the chance, then do it. It wouldn't be long before the cheaters were gone or straightened up.

AMEN to that!

[Lohman446]

There is either some inconsistencies with Drew's insurance carrier's underwriting compared to other carriers OR these other board manufacturers are going out selling their products without the adequate insurance coverage to cover their liability.

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Or Jim Drew isn't looking hard for insurance - or isn't telling the complete and honest truth no way... Jim Drew be less than honest to promote his business... now way oh, wait, this is Jim Drew we are discussing... I pick option three