PSP Impliments 15 BPS Cap; WAS Responds.

[SlartyBartFast]

If they are an 'emplyee' doing the filling they are only required to have the hazmet cert. If a 'player' is filling from a supllied station then no. No real control over the set up or procedure.

A field owner has COMPLETE control over fill procedures and setup on their property.

If the field is supplying the fill station, it's without a doubt the fields responsibility.

Currently there are no mandated procedures or conatainments specified other than industry instituted guidlines (annual VIS for instance on a Scuba tank) outside of teh 'handling' of HP cylinders.

Go into a SCUBA store and ask to fill your own tank.

If a business is in charge of hazardous materials or procedures you can bet your bottom dollar customers aren't allowed performing the procedures on the premises.

And it would NOT kill grass roots paintball. SCUBA certainly isn't dead and you can still buy your own compressors and fill your own tanks.

But I think the governemnt regulation already exists, we're just ignoring it and have stayed below the RADAR of the enforcement agencies because nobody has died from an exploding paintball tank. (Yet.)

http://www.ehow.com/how_403_refill-scuba-cylinder.html

[shartley]

First off, don't take this as some personal attack on you or something.No need to be getting all defensive.

Second...let's try and stay on focus. I specifically addressed the statements relating to 'Law' and 'Regulation'. I mentioned what that basically consisted of.

I also stated that an owners liability and responsibility was a completely different issue.

How a business owner runs his busineess and what he is forced to do by law and regulation are quite often 2 different things.

'Could" a scuba shop let you fill your own tank? Sure could. Would they? IDK, go ask .

'Could' a commercial Paintball field allow the players to fill thier own tanks? Certainly. Would they? Absolutely.

Liable and Legal are not neccessarily dependant on each other in this case.

[shartley]

[shartley]

Seriously?

Ever been to a big Tourny?

World Cup AT DISNEY by the way....player fill stations w/ FLASH FILLS only 20 available stations at a time.

[REDRT]

As a field team we are allowed to fill are own tanks. We had a breifing on the procedure and I think the rule is no one under 16 or 18 (I forget) unless they're an employee. Big events are usually open for self fills.

[shartley]

As a field team we are allowed to fill are own tanks. We had a breifing on the procedure and I think the rule is no one under 16 or 18 (I forget) unless they're an employee. Big events are usually open for self fills.

[Cyberious]

Not cutting out a single word of the post I'm quoting. Let me say this in response: AMEN Brother Shartley speak the good word! I too would like to see it regulated to make it safer and better. Too many fields just allow anything to happen. If it requires me to spend more to play, so be it. As far as the ball cap I'd love to see it at 13 no other provisions...1 pull, 1 shot, NO Ramping, NO Turbo, NO nonsense. It would put skill back into the game. In many cases technology has been an equalizer between marginal players and good ones. I have 6 markers that will shoot above the 15 bps cap, would I have them flashed to only fire up to 13 bps? Sure. Why not.
I played with one of my Mech Mags a few weekends ago and can honestly say that I haven't had that much fun in this sport in a long time. There were 3 other people on the field with Mech Markers and it was fun to take on the paint slingers (especially since I am usually one of them). I felt as confident walking on to the field with a mech marker as I do with my X-Mag. Why? Because I've been playing this sport for 19 years and know there is more to it than hosing paint. Those of you that think you are great players I challenge you to walk out onto the field with a mech or better yet with a pump. If you do great,THAT shows you how good you are. I've seen very well known tourney players (atleast at the time) including a professional tourney team go down to a team of pump players.

[REDRT]

Maybe not general public, but still not an employee. I doubt I'm covered if something was to happen. Frankly it really doesn't matter to me. Because I would be died if I screwed up! It is the ones left behind that it matters most to. It sure is nice too skip the long line to get air. And thats what really counts. Future plans are to some sort of self fills HPA.

[FSU_Paintball]

I'd just like to say that if anyone thinks JD is "taking a stand" "doing the right thing" or "standing up for the players" you're sadly mistaken.

Ramping means decreased demand for WAS boards. JD has always made cheater boards; for him to stand up and say that adding shots is wrong is hypocritical and ridiculous of him.

He's not trying to do the right thing, he's still being the same guy he always was - the one who is extremely concerned with lining his pockets, even if he has to say anything to do it.

Ramping is much safer than bouncing, and it puts everyone on a level playing field. I'm not sure if I like the idea of it being legal, but I'm not blind to the advantages of it, nor am I blind to JD's motivation for his statements.

[shartley]

Not cutting out a single word of the post I'm quoting. Let me say this in response: AMEN Brother Shartley speak the good word! I too would like to see it regulated to make it safer and better. Too many fields just allow anything to happen. If it requires me to spend more to play, so be it. As far as the ball cap I'd love to see it at 13 no other provisions...1 pull, 1 shot, NO Ramping, NO Turbo, NO nonsense. It would put skill back into the game. In many cases technology has been an equalizer between marginal players and good ones. I have 6 markers that will shoot above the 15 bps cap, would I have them flashed to only fire up to 13 bps? Sure. Why not.

I played with one of my Mech Mags a few weekends ago and can honestly say that I haven't had that much fun in this sport in a long time. There were 3 other people on the field with Mech Markers and it was fun to take on the paint slingers (especially since I am usually one of them). I felt as confident walking on to the field with a mech marker as I do with my X-Mag. Why? Because I've been playing this sport for 19 years and know there is more to it than hosing paint. Those of you that think you are great players I challenge you to walk out onto the field with a mech or better yet with a pump. If you do great,THAT shows you how good you are. I've seen very well known tourney players (atleast at the time) including a professional tourney team go down to a team of pump players.

Yes, the regular local field I play at allows the 'regulars' to fill thier own HPA. Although I'm not sure why you see a difference between me walking up to a fill station at an Event or me walking up to a fill station at another commercial facility but in any case, there you go.

As for RedRT's case as I stated ealier, if your not an employee,your not required to have any cerification. A 'briefing' means nothing regardless.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Preventing any direct governmental intervention can be accomplished if we were self-policing. Anything short of that and we're only waiting for the inevitable hammer to come down.

[Lohman446]

Those of you that think you are great players I challenge you to walk out onto the field with a mech or better yet with a pump. If you do great,THAT shows you how good you are. I've seen very well known tourney players (atleast at the time) including a professional tourney team go down to a team of pump players.

I do that from time to time - I still have no skill Sorry.. didn't mean to sidetrack the conversation, some humor is needed from time to time

[Lurker27]

I abhor the idea that ramping puts everyone on an equal playing field.

Walking is a skill.

Why not give everyone rocket roller skates that are capped at a given speed?

You're penalizing those that can legitimately outshoot the cap.

[SlartyBartFast]

You're penalizing those that can legitimately outshoot the cap.

Which is how many players exactly?