Crown Point Barrel Discussion

[AGD]

AO,

At first I was worried but you passed the test well. I was at dinner with Swarm and one of the players commented that AO was not a good place to get feed back because everyone there was a Mag drone. While he mean it in a nice way he did have a point. I didn't have a good way to prove to him that he was wrong until I came across the question about the 8" Crown Point Barrel and started to reply. The reply turned into a test to prove my point, that collectively you all are NOT ALL ONE MIND.

As you can see from the overwhelming response and the variety of thoughts that virtually every angle was covered. I apologize that I had to do this to you but think of it as a wake up call to make you more aware of what goes on in the marketing world. In addition you have upped your status in the eyes of non AO people. Your responses of all kinds go even further to enhance my respect for the people on this forum.

For those who think this is a love fest just read the posts, if I can't snow ball you with the best I have to offer no one can. Good job all!!

If you did buy a barrel we will refund your money. If you want to keep it I have instructed Marcia to include a free parts kit with every barrel.

I want to continue this thread with a discussion of the various aspects of the "sales pitch" starting below.

AGD

[AGD]

First of all do you think that anything I said was any different than what other manufacturers would say?

AGD

[M-a-s-sDriver]

All I know is that I am selling fish-crap sucker-uppers for 40 bucks a pop.
Visa and Mastercard Preferred.
Brent Jackson, PFB.

[Butterfingers]

Tom, that was the best impersonation of Smart Parts iv'e seen to date.

DONT EVER DO THAT AGAIN!!! You scared the crap out of me.

[FooTemps]

Actually tom,

You didn't stray much from what a lot of companies say. You were saying you're the best, "this is what works", "a new revolution in paintball", "the most advanced out there", and other companies suck...

[manike]

Tom if you don't think there was a large proportion of people there that were blindly following you, and buying it because it was you and AGD, and ignoring all others who were trying to say otherwise then we were reading a different thread.

Simon

[AGD]

Yes Manike that was true, BUT all bases were covered which resulted in the whole thing being "up in the air"

AGD

[FooTemps]

That thread gave me some extra posts so I just played along... I don't consier myself a mag drone... YET... I see that a lot of people just jumped for the crown point when you pulled that off.

[LaW]

I read all that and was just like, "what happend with TK?"

I found it hilarious that a lot of people were really serious into ordering them right away like it was the best kept secret in the world. Thank you for the humor

[banzaimf]

Originally posted by AGD
First of all do you think that anything I said was any different than what other manufacturers would say?

AGD

The problem is our percieved "connection" to you via this website. I have never read an e-mail from Dave Y. or Bob L. The Gardner boys have never posted on any forum I am on.

With that in mind. The AO perception of your products is tainted in a way that no other company can duplicate at this point. What you said was exactly the way that any other company would, however, coming from you it is like hearing the Pope say that he's got to have a break for some doobies and a conjugal visit.

While I agree that people will have diverging opinions, and that eventually they will get ferreted out and the truth will be known (taking in to account the Roswell exception policy), you only need a short time of massive sales to get your foot in the door. Once that is in place, you can put out product on strength of previous success alone.

anyways.. I am rambling...
back to your regularly scheduled program

Banzaimf

[irbodden]

I could tell you why people bought it, its a $20 barrel!

It was funny though.

[manike]

Really? I wonder how many people ordered barrels or were seriously considering it, that wouldn't have if you had just mentioned that they were for sale. Many people here hang on your every word. Most even apologised before contradicting you or pointing out where you contradicted yourself.

Many were hesitant or didn't want to contradict you at first.

If you'd have stuck with it a lot of people here would have followed through and bought the product and started hyping it elsewhere. Just because they want to believe you and that everything you do is the best. People were starting other threads and starting to say that their barrel is good, or that heck it's worth 20$. It goes to show you you could sell a product or an idea or hype here that wouldn't necessarily be bought elsewhere. It would be very complacent to think that the opinions here aren't to quite a large extent biased to you and your products.

manike

[marc]

Why couldnt you just lie to us, and say it was true. I wanted that to be true really bad. Well dont do this agian plz because you got me all exited, and I told you I was stupid (even though I make sure im getting actual good stuff from other companys, I trust AGD). And is that the barrel that is on the stock mags. I gota question as well. If I cut my freak (because the porting in it is like a razor)porting off will it affect the accuracy because it wouldnt be a perfect cut? PS if I buy the barrel now will i still get the parts kit

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by irbodden
I could tell you why people bought it, its a $20 barrel!

It was funny though.

True, i dont even think you can get aluminum tubes for that little.

$60 would have been a real test.

Heck they are so cheap that im thinking of picking one of those things up as a fish crap sucker upper and as a peice of automag history.

[LaW]

Nice

Originally posted by manike
Really? I wonder how many people ordered barrels or were seriously considering it, that wouldn't have if you had just mentioned that they were for sale. Many people here hang on your every word. Most even apologised before contradicting you or pointing out where you contradicted yourself.

Many were hesitant or didn't want to contradict you at first.

If you'd have stuck with it a lot of people here would have followed through and bought the product and started hyping it elsewhere. Just because they want to believe you and that everything you do is the best. People were starting other threads and starting to say that their barrel is good, or that heck it's worth 20$. It goes to show you you could sell a product or an idea or hype here that wouldn't necessarily be bought elsewhere. It would be very complacent to think that the opinions here aren't to quite a large extent biased to you and your products.

manike