Crown Point Barrel Discussion

[gmag]

Suddenly, I feel like a guinea pig...

(and no, I didn't buy the barrel. Wasn't even considering it.)

[AGD]

Shartley, when did marketing come into this? AGD

[Minimag4me]

i agree with shartley that this may cause more harm than good, i was concidering the barrel even i knew it was a lie. Next new product that comes out we will all be asking ourselves, is he lying again?, will it really do what he says it does? I know this wont stop me from buying AGD products but for some...

edit:like some have said this is a good learning experience especially for me

[Butterfingers]

Well the purpose of the post wasent to prove his marketing skills it was to test the viability of the forum to produce honest unbiased opinions. The marketing spheel way just a part of the plot to test the forum. IMHO Tom NEVER intended to actually market his products in this manner.

I cant emphisize enough that this was not a way to test marketing strategy but to test the biasness of the forum.

IMHO It was a good learning experience. It showed to a lot of people how easily they could be fooled by marketing hype. Perhaps now they will be more open minded.

The best way to learn is by your own mistakes. It takes a good teacher to help the student realize what he/she had done wrong without negative consequence. Thanks Tom.

[Dave]

Here is the way it went with me- I saw the add, laughed at some parts, but yet didn't respond. Somewhere in the back of my mind I saw this barrel on a Mag in 1991 in the video. The thing that kept me interested was of all the previous time you had talked about barrel porting, etc. in the tech tips, so, the first thought was, Tom has done major research and has all the facts straight, and this is the result. A perfect barrel. Then I got to thinking...I thought about how much the balls curve when I use my DYE X-cel, so i got that part, but I dunno, I guess I never responded cause I didn't know if it would fit the kind of paint I wanted, and was confused cause it did not sound like you, so i was going to wait it out and see what would become of it. No, it did not get me. Thanks to posts from other people asking about bore sizes, I thought about that too, and didn't post, just left it as it was. In the end, I wouldn't have bought the barrel. Maybe it was a combo of I couldn't use a credit card(although if I wanted one bad enough I'd bother Rob to get me one ) [a barrel, that is] or that I will very soon be getting a Lapco Bigshot Either way, I wouldn't have done it cause I knew something was up...I could have used more common sense and asked myself what is the deal here? But the point was I really didn't need it. Even now the whole thing seems confusing, of course I can understand why you wanted to do it. I think everyone was caught off guard cause it was Tom!!! We have come to trust you.

-Dave

[Webmaster]

For a little bit - I thought you were serious...er seriously hopped up on cold meds. It wasnt until I read the details where you contradicted your findings with the high speed photo test that I figured out you were doing some different.

Either that or you were taken over my smart parts and they were controling your mind.


Seriously - I still want one! I didnt know you had any left!

I like the sound it makes:
CHING CHING CHING CHING - for whom the bell tolls!! CHING CHING CHING CHING CHING

[datapimp69]

so tom did BFL stand for

big *edit* Do not try to circumvent the cuss filters lie ?

sorry i didnt know anyother way to say what i was trying to say.

[gmag]

I didn't like it at all. This is supposed to be a family. Since when did we have to prove something to someone else. Even if we were "mag drones", so what!? Its kinda like your neighbor telling you they don't like the color of your house. It doesn't mean you repaint, does it? Well, if anything, it showed that a lot of people trust you blindly. And a lot of people think on their own too(just to give credit to the people who didn't spring out and buy one immediately). It caused a lot of unnessecary confusion. And I didn't like the part about "puny brains" and "you must have a small brain if....", even though it wasn't directed exactly towards us it was still harsh. Those are strong words.

[nutz]

it suprises me that so many ppl actually bought into this idea... i mean that paintball industrey has always screamed that paint to barrel match was everything..... and tom totally went against it... if what tom said was true, he would have sold tons...
Tom good job on making people believe things... i think u should try it on something that is true next time and see what response u get then... i think that will show a thing or 2 about the real AO... yes i know u pissed off quite a few AO member including everyones favorite shartley but what u said sounded so true that if i hadnt read on to ppls replies, i think i may have bought one... next time do it about something thats true if u want to sell stuff... good job on ur sales pitch er what ever u want to call it... if only AGD could actually make a barrel that perfect.

[M-a-s-sDriver]

AND ANOTHER THING...

...Mr. Tom Kaye Man...
Pumps are NOT dead!! I don't like your attitude concerning paintball's most honorable and exciting piece of equipment.
So you just apologise right now, and start working on the E-mag PUMP extreem, and maybe,...MAYBE I will forgive you. We'll see.
Brent Jackson, PFB.
PHANTOM totin' fool.

[polorboy]

I knew somthing was not right

When I read that post about the barrel I thought that you had to be pulling somthing out of your sleave, I was totaly shocked at the amount of posts that I read saying that they were going to but one just because you said to, even though some of them may have been joking around. I know from past experience that the research that I have done into finding a good barrel for me that the "crown point barrel" was a joke. I mean there is no way that there could be any accuracy with that barrel. And the part about the poor ball going out into the cruel world, OY .

[SiLeNt X]

i see.SO you have more respect for me for *edit* I have slapped your hand! you out? SOrry about being so harsh

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

is it that big of a deal?

it's not like he didn't retract it for months till he sold out of all of the crown points? he did it for a DAY. besides, part of his business is to see how he could sell things by putting out an ad. although it was a lie, it was still something he felt necisary for his business. i feel gyped that i didn't order one earlier and get a chance to get a free parts kit.

[Gambit1106]

Hey at first when I read it I was ready to order. Then the coffee kicked in the wheels started turning and it contradicted everything you stated in here and the tech class. So I went to the mode of what the heck it only 20 bucks I can always use it for something. I feel its a good eye opener for evryone on every product not even paintball. Always do your homework before you buy.

Darren

[X-Plosive]

I thought Tom was taking a journey with Puff the Magic dragon and I was going to post something but then I decided not too I see your point and IMO AO still has some people that will buy whatever you endorse.