So wheres the petition - PSP and ramping - why so little outcry?

[WARPED1]

My question is, do you play in PSP? If not, why the heck do you care?! If you do, send a petition! But, you wont get anyone that plays PSP to sign, they want max shots, no matter how they get it.

[SlipknotX556]

My question is, do you play in PSP? If not, why the heck do you care?! If you do, send a petition! But, you wont get anyone that plays PSP to sign, they want max shots, no matter how they get it.

You posted what I was gonna basically post .


I dont care that in PSP you can ramp, I play PSP and I am happy we can ramp now.

[Lohman446]

You posted what I was gonna basically post .


I dont care that in PSP you can ramp, I play PSP and I am happy we can ramp now.

I would be 100% happy with ramping if it were within ASTM standards and I did not beleive that using it left me criminally negligent (we're not discussing a civil suit here, we're discussing jail)... and yes I have played in PSP in the past and had intended to this year. Now I have a choice - either play at a competetive disadvantage or play and risk the criminal liability should something tragic happen.

[Lohman446]

I could argue that 150 mph is unsafe, regardless of the situation. And using any automobile at that speed on a public highway/roadway would endanger all involved and pose more of a danger/risk than the benefit of having the ability to drive that fast.

You cant honestly tell me that a 150 mph car is intended for a 16 year old driver for emergency purposes/manuevers.

You could limit bottom end and top end, which is exactly what I am getting at...its no different than limiting a board. Ultimately, its the user that decides what they do with what they have.

The difference to me, is that vehicles are not manufactured outside of accepted industry standards

[needtosale]

well since i dont play psp i dident care untill last week when i was hit with more than 5 hot shots from a ramping gun luckly i was able to control myself because it was like my 3rd game the guy basicly walked up behind me while i was catching heavy fire from an angel also ramping so if ramping was cut out i would be happy

[Blennidae]

You cant honestly tell me that a 150 mph car is intended for a 16 year old driver for emergency purposes/manuevers.

I think you both have valid points with this analogy. But the thing to remember is what happens to the kid whos parents buy him the 150mph car. He either gets tickets or hurts himself or others. The same parents who will buy this kid the car, are the same ones who will buy him the ramping tourney marker, regardless if he is responsible enough to have it.

[Enemy]

^^ and you can buy chips to remove the speed limiter! loman i do not believe that you would be held accountable if something were to happen more so the tournament promoter ie psp would take the hit for allowing that setting universally!! i dont agree with ramp but when i get into the psp i will do it no doubt!

["the FitZ"]

I am 16 and if you give me a Ferrari Enzo I promise I'll only use it's speed and unbelievable power in emergency situations...

most new cars are governed now but some are higher governed like the benz i believe is 130 or 40 but then we're getting into some $$
But I have a 93' escort gt that'll pull 140 top speed...zoom zoom

And as far as ramping goes I can see someone getting tagged w/ about 10-12 balls when the ramping kicks in mid-bunker.
And to those that say you can't tell if a gun is ramping you must be kidding. Just look at the vid for the ion. It's like pop...pop..pop pop pop ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp very obvious And in some cases it's the same w/ bounce. In my opinion it just takes away from the skills of the game. So I could, with going on 5 years experience, a very sparse 5, go out and play competitively w/ good pro teams. The pros may start to say something when they get the poopie shot out of them by a wide-eyed 10 yr. old. "I'm sorry I gogged you umpteen times w/ the gun my daddy bought for me!"

[Lohman446]

^^ and you can buy chips to remove the speed limiter! loman i do not believe that you would be held accountable if something were to happen more so the tournament promoter ie psp would take the hit for allowing that setting universally!! i dont agree with ramp but when i get into the psp i will do it no doubt!

I beleive, that if I use a marker that does not apply to ASTM standards and something happens that I may very well be criminally and civilly liable - see the thread at the top for my thoughts on this.

[Lohman446]

1) I am not familiar with automotive standards. Would you please show me where it says 150 mph(or any safe speed) is acceptable?

2) I think you mean they are the ASTM standards.

If the majority of the industry(paintball industry) isnt following what you call the accepted industry standards, then Id argue they arent accepted industry(paintball industry) standards.

In general automobile makers set car speed limiters to the speed rating of a tire - the speed that a tire will begin to loose structural integrity. I would say that new vehicles do meet certain standards for front and side impact survival, air bags, seat belts, and other safety equipment. There are standards that vehicles are expected to be up to and in some cases required. My point here is if the ASTM were to say for example "brake systems must be hydraulic with a mechanical backup" and someone in the industry was to use magnetic brakes (even if they beleived them safe) without having the testing to back them up they would be criminally negligent should something happen.

[mercury]

Just some input from me. First of all, I play rec ball so again, this doesn't seem to have too much affect on me. There are always guys with wicked fast markers at the fields I play at and I just live with it. If I take a few bonus balls, so what (it always happens, even a few years back when things weren't AS fast.) I go there expecting to get hit by these little paint projectiles.

I will say this, however, the automobile analogy is somewhat off. Automobiles, when designed to where they can do 150 mph, will generally not be driven at their limit, especially not all the time. Especially because there is a defined law that you are required to know about before you get your driver's license and there are consequences to breaking that law, and in the case of driving 150 MPH, serious ones. There are exceptions to this rule as in anything, such as an anyone who is an idiot and feels the need to drive that fast on a public road. A marker that will do 20+ bps WILL be fired at that speed. The exception to this rule, however, is the person who has the capability to fire that fast but doesn't. Then again, if they weren't wanting to fire at a high rate, why spend the money on a marker that can. Before all this controversy, most people probably didn't even know about the ASTM, as was stated before. Also, last time I played, I wasn't required to know a BPS limit before using my marker. So, why wouldn't someone with a marker that can fire at 20 bps fire it at that rate?

In all honesty, I don't care how fast a marker shoots. You play this game knowing that there is a distinct possibility that you will be hit with paintballs and the slight possibility that you will get injured or even seriously injured. It's like that with many sports and recreational activities. If you can't deal with the possibility of getting injured then don't play this sport...or any sport for that matter. ROF is not the thing I worry about. I don't honestly believe that 20 bps has much more possibility of harming me or anyone else than 15 bps does. If they ever stop caring about velocities, then I will have a problem. I also don't think this affects the majority of the players, rec ballers. Many rec ballers don't have markers that shoot that fast (including me) and the one's that do will most likely not be regulated by anyone. This rule will not matter to the majority of players. And, if you're a tourny player and aren't used to high ROF's, then you're probably in the wrong place.

Take all this for what it is, just my humble opinion.