New players and $1400 guns?

[Thordic]

IF YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR SON ALL TOURNAMENT EQUIPMENT, I'M GOING TO TREAT HIM LIKE A TOURNAMENT PLAYER AND PLAY AS HARD AS I WOULD AGAINST ANYONE ELSE. IF I SHOOT YOUR SON 5 TIMES IN THE BACK THEN O WELL, HE NEEDS TO GET OFF THE FIELD AND QUIT PLAYING IF HE CANT HANDLE THE PAIN AND THE PRESSURE WITHOUT CRYING AND MAKING ME LOOK LIKE A JACKASS

So true. When I see a guy all decked out with a high-end marker, I'm much more likely to play harder against him, and send more shots his way. I'll shoot a noob in camo once or twice, but a guy in full Dye gear will get 5 or 6 shots to account for bounces and/or wipes.

[joez]

You should have got them started the right way and told them how to cheat.


AGD

So funny, yet so sad.

I used to see it all the time as well, and i just laughed. It was always funny.

[slade]

i really dont care if kids show up at the field with all new equipment. $1000 for a new marker is a bit too much to spend on a new player in my opinion, but if the parents are willing to spend it, thats fine with me. its better than what happened with me. i wanted to play paintball since i was about 8 years old, but i was never able to because my parents thought it was going to be just a fad. then i finally played two years ago at a friends birthday party and completely love it. the only thing that really annoys me is if the players drop out of the sport after a few times playing, and after having their parents spend $1000+ on a marker, or players who blatantly cheat (im talking about the tourny player who was COMPLETELY in the open and took at least 6-8 balls from me TWICE, and wiped them all).

[luke]

[MAGS_R_COOL]

I agree with MOST of everythign said. I got a Dm5 for Christmas, but it wasnt just for Christmas. It was for my exams (grades were very high), birthday, and Christmas. For any sports I play my parents by me the gear, but for ANY continual costs, I must pay. I get anywhere from 6-8 people per game out. THis is not the best at my field, but I at least try and play hard. Basically, simplified what i am trying to say is all people that have nice gear that they didnt pay for dont exactly suck.

[CKY_Alliance]

while reading this it made me think of the MTV show "my sweet sixteen".Now thats riddiculous. Atleast the parents are spending the money on paintball..something that last not a one night party.

[sabrefanpc]

do i think the parents are spoiling the kids? sure. but then why do I care? My parents never spoiled me (FAR FROM IT) but I dont know why it bothers you that much if a kid gets spoiled...

[minimag03]

When one of them sells their DM5 PM me. I'll give them $500 for one of them :) .

[gc82000]

All you guys are just hating. I have seen those kids turn into some very good players. I know this one kid whose first gun was an A4 and he sucked with it. Now he practices with our team and is learning the basics tactics of being a backman, how to yell positions, kills, lane, sweet spot of the break and hold down a guy, and to tell others to move.

Any person with a new gun will not be perfect with it but give the kid time and he might learn to rock his gun. Oh yeah bunkering him is not a bad thing. It will just tell him that it is part of a game. If he can deal with it then cool, if not, get his gun cheap.

[REDRT]

You should have got them started the right way and told them how to cheat.


AGD

I don't really see any humor in that statement. A statement like that really lowers my opinion of you.

3 young kids with top end equipment just handed to them is my idea of great parenting, but I can see it happening. All parents wants there children to not only have nice things, quality things, that not only the kids like, but is perceived as going to hold up by the parents. Granted this is little over the top, but they must have money. When my brother and I were little are folks went out of their way at say Christmas time for us. Doing their best. We never got anything like that! They didn't have that kind of money. These people do. As it must seems normal in that income level to do that for their kids as it seems normal in a lower income level to do something different. These kids are only guilty of being from an aparently well off family. Paintball is a good time enjoyed by many people. Things like jealousy, being stuck up, pompous and arrogant really makes for the lowest form of players. Spoils the game.
Shame on anyone to go out of their way to target a player they feel isn't worthy of there equipment. Because of age, material wealth, playing skills or in this case lack of ect.

[GT]

Very true,
This type of mentality doesnt affect kids only. How many of you have meet adults, early 20's with some nice stuff and assumed it came from some kind of family wealth? There are people who have great jobs and work dammed hard for it, but get paid alittle better than everyone else, doesnt mean they dont work hard, just means they do it better.

I started a new job a few years ago(I was 23 at the time), I had been looking at a miata for a play toy, with the new income it was going to be no big deal. I bought a beatiful blue 10AE maita, incredible car. One day I drove it into work, only on nice pretty days, and ran into one of the managers. she asked when I bought the car and had said something to the effect of "I didnt know you were from money?" I guess she didnt know what I made or was being silly, it still pissed me off, but it also made me aware of this underlying hatered (maybe to strong of a word) that people have when they meet other sucessful people and assume it comes from some other source.

That comment is still in the back of my mind. Why would you treat someone differently because of the gun they use or the close they wear? If you're a good 'baller you can tell how good someone is by the way they walk and handle themselves. It only takes a few steps to tell if someone knows what they are doing.

OT: I haved wanted an empire timmy since last years AO meet but for some reason I can't justify the expensive to mow the rec ballers, heck the 10bps from the mech mag does that

gt

[sabrefanpc]

I don't really see any humor in that statement. A statement like that really lowers my opinion of you.

he might have been being sarcastic...

[CoolHand]

I once again find myself quoting this man for the truth in his statement.

You sir, are wise beyond your years.

If a kid had a marker which he is not fully able to take advatage of, you have two choices when playing them:

1) Laugh at their lack of skill/experience, and bunker them repeatedly so they "learn their place"

OR

2) Help them reach their potential.

It would be best if the parents were there doing this, but not everyone is good at everything. Help them out, give them pointers, maybe a little encouragement when they get it right, most importantly ---> be polite while doing so.

There is a huge turnaround in this sport (meaning that kids come, play, and move on very quickly). It seems to me that since most of the old school guys have been run off, the inmates are running the asylum. No one is exactly sure of how things need to be done, so everyone has to learn from trial and error. This leads to a kinda haphazard distribution of experience, and the new teaching the newer. I have seen this play out in so many other environments.

The result, being that whatever info the current generation has, is pass on poorly (if at all) to the next, and so on and so forth, until the message is so garbled that no one really understands. I think we've reached this point in PB. The solution? The current crop needs to take what they have learned, pass it on effectively to the next. Put simply, the guys who have the most experience need to take the time to help the new guys. All it takes is one guy on one day to set the precendent. Then that kid will be more likely to help instead of belittle, and so on. Just taking the time to give someone a polite pointer may take months off of their learning curve, and possibly help them stay an active player (at least a little longer).

I go out of my way when at the field to help whenever I can. Be it teching markers, give tips when it seems appropriate, or just standing up for the Noobzorz when some 14 yr old "pro" is bashing on them.

I have met some really cool people paintballing, but I have also met some really foul mouthed punks with bad attitudes as well.

See that you all fall with the former, rather than the latter . . . . . . .

[tha flynnrod]

If you shoot anyone in the back five times in rec day, especially at the fields I play at (3 break rule), especially with that attitude, you need to go home and learn sportsmanship

umm... how are you going to stop a whole stream of paint mid air just to make sure only 1 of the 10 balls or so flying his way is going to hit him?

are you playing with a pump or are you just shy with the trigger???

[CoolHand]

umm... how are you going to stop a whole stream of paint mid air just to make sure only 1 of the 10 balls or so flying his way is going to hit him?

are you playing with a pump or are you just shy with the trigger???

If you put 10 balls on someone in a bunker move (IE you ran up and shot them in the back 10 times from point blank range), you need to back up and think about what you are doing. Accidental bonus balls from range are one thing, but its not like that two foot distance is even big enough for you to have 10 balls in the air.

Keep that kind of thing going, one day you will bonus ball the wrong fellow, and he will make you eat your marker.