Sigs getting turned off

[REDRT]

I a related subject. The whole sig thing got many people in an uproar and then some got banned. Some for as much as 30 days. I now see they are back. It hasn't been 30 days. I don't get the whole thing of bans, sigs, and whatever. I think it is all a sham. The mods make a decision it should be carried out. What is the deal?

[1stdeadeye]

Maybe a circumcision?

[Glickman]

bye bye cute doggy sig



cant... find.. sig.... url... now...

going... to.... cry.....

[-=Squid=-]

I a related subject. The whole sig thing got many people in an uproar and then some got banned. Some for as much as 30 days. I now see they are back. It hasn't been 30 days. I don't get the whole thing of bans, sigs, and whatever. I think it is all a sham. The mods make a decision it should be carried out. What is the deal?

Not if it's a bad decision.

[Glickman]

hehe i found it. if you need to save ur sig, click ur name, itll still show it incase you dont have the url saved anywhere else


one last time for 'ol time sake

[AO Moderation Team]

I a related subject. The whole sig thing got many people in an uproar and then some got banned. Some for as much as 30 days. I now see they are back. It hasn't been 30 days. I don't get the whole thing of bans, sigs, and whatever. I think it is all a sham. The mods make a decision it should be carried out. What is the deal?

There is more to it than what you all know, which you do not need to know.

Debates with the moderators usually work out like this: The whiners and sometimes troublemakers are the ones with the issues. The silent majority stays silent, and does not care. nor responds because they don't have issues with how things are done. If you've ever seen PETA, they make a lot of noise and have naked people to try to gain attention. But nobody else really cares. In the absence of the silent majority's opinion, the opinions of the whiners become an extremely exaggerated representation of what the whole feels.

With this in mind, you're not going to get anywhere arguing with us. You're not going to win either. If you are concerned with our judgment: We review each others actions, and this includes Tom Kaye's involvement when necessary. We have an assortment of personalities with different opinions, and we disagree on things all the time. You just don't get to see it.

Understand that you don't always get to see all of the information, and you're not going to always know why we take a particular action. Sometimes it will seem unfair, or not make sense. But take faith that we are doing our due diligence. And if you don't have faith in that, take faith that you are a captive audience.

[Glickman]

There is more to it than what you all know, which you do not need to know.

Debates with the moderators usually work out like this: The whiners and sometimes troublemakers are the ones with the issues. The silent majority stays silent, and does not care. nor responds because they don't have issues with how things are done. If you've ever seen PETA, they make a lot of noise and have naked people to try to gain attention. But nobody else really cares. In the absence of the silent majority's opinion, the opinions of the whiners become an extremely exaggerated representation of what the whole feels.

i totally respect what your saying, but, we've spent countless hours enjoying discussions, debates (atleast back when they were intellectual and allowed )and so on. We're just curious because we care alot for this forum.

If we just kept quiet and didnt bother even asking, how would we be any better then the silent majority?


honestly, ive seen this attitude before. those who've played counter strike for extended periods can vouch. its like a newbie admins, they always pretend that they're at a higher pier then the players, untill they wise up and find out they are just playing a game.

im not saying you guys are inexperianced in any way, and give you guys credit for dealing with us, which must seem impossible at times, im just saying i dont personally like this condesending atitude ive seen with just one or two mods. but hey, i guess im not in any position to object, being another face in the "silent majority"


admin_ban Glickman 0

[Target Practice]

There is more to it than what you all know, which you do not need to know.

Story of the Forums, innit? Okay, I'll buy that. Sure, there's things that the average user is not allowed to see. But what about the things we are supposed to see, but don't?

Also, Why the AO Mod post? What is the harm in seeing which mod posted? Hearing something from some of the mods is easier to take for truth than some of the others.

[AO Moderation Team]

i totally respect what your saying, but, we've spent countless hours enjoying discussions, debates (atleast back when they were intellectual and allowed )and so on. We're just curious because we care alot for this forum.

If we just kept quiet and didnt bother even asking, how would we be any better then the silent majority?


honestly, ive seen this attitude before. those who've played counter strike for extended periods can vouch. its like a newbie admins, they always pretend that they're at a higher pier then the players, untill they wise up and find out they are just playing a game.

im not saying you guys are inexperianced in any way, and give you guys credit for dealing with us, which must seem impossible at times, im just saying i dont personally like this condesending atitude ive seen with just one or two mods. but hey, i guess im not in any position to object, being another face in the "silent majority"


admin_ban Glickman 0

Well I said that, fully cognisant of what you're talking about. You have to agree that what I said has a degree of validity. I also agree that what you've said has a degree of validity. I have to ask the question: Do I have confidence in our moderation team - and its ability to self-regulate. Yes I do. Do I think the team is capable of mistakes - yes, we have. But here's the thing: the mistakes usually get resolved.

Admittedly, my commentary was trolling for a response. It was slightly inflammatory on purpose. Get the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing.

I don't think those debates should go away, so long as within the rules. They're good to have when constructive.

[AO Moderation Team]

Also, Why the AO Mod post? What is the harm in seeing which mod posted? Hearing something from some of the mods is easier to take for truth than some of the others.

It would color the responses. I might let you know later.

[Mighty Mike]

Maybe the AO Moderation Team is actually Tom Kaye?? Maybe Tom Kaye is not the nice loveable guy he portrays himself to be?? Maybe i should just shut up.

[AO Moderation Team]

Maybe the AO Moderation Team is actually Tom Kaye?? Maybe Tom Kaye is not the nice loveable guy he portrays himself to be?? Maybe i should just shut up.

No, definitely not. He has more important things to do.

He doesn't pretend to be that way - that's just Tom.

[MonsterMag]

So why the heck did you use it if you knew it broke the rules?

Because Maxfloschocker was sapose to fix it for me and he meesed up. I f you find the thread in dealers forum, you sill see what I am talking about.

[Aegis]

The "AO Moderation Team" has made one of the most arrogant, insulting statements I have read in quite a while. I think it is worth taking a few moments to break this down:

There is more to it than what you all know, which you do not need to know.

Debates with the moderators usually work out like this: The whiners and sometimes troublemakers are the ones with the issues. The silent majority stays silent, and does not care. nor responds because they don't have issues with how things are done.

}Apparently, if you have an issue you are a whiner or a troublemaker.

If you've ever seen PETA, they make a lot of noise and have naked people to try to gain attention. But nobody else really cares. In the absence of the silent majority's opinion, the opinions of the whiners become an extremely exaggerated representation of what the whole feels.

]It gets better. Now anyone debating (or questioning, I suppose) the moderators is equated with PETA. You know, the silly naked people.

With this in mind, you're not going to get anywhere arguing with us. You're not going to win either. If you are concerned with our judgment: We review each others actions, and this includes Tom Kaye's involvement when necessary. We have an assortment of personalities with different opinions, and we disagree on things all the time. You just don't get to see it.

Understand that you don't always get to see all of the information, and you're not going to always know why we take a particular action. Sometimes it will seem unfair, or not make sense. But take faith that we are doing our due diligence. And if you don't have faith in that, take faith that you are a captive audience.

So, if I understand this correctly, you are either a whining, noisy, naked person or you don't care.

That post is followed by this:

"Admittedly, my commentary was trolling for a response. It was slightly inflammatory on purpose. Get the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing.

I don't think those debates should go away, so long as within the rules. They're good to have when constructive."

There are many ways to get a discussion going without demeaning well intentioned people that are trying to the same thing.

[Aegis]

In the interest of trolling for a response, this post will be slightly inflammatory on purpose. you know, it gets the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing.

The problem I see is that some people want to cause trouble. As miscue pointed out - EVERYTIME any of us do something we get met with a load of immaturity and crybaby antics. We get THREATS. We get cursed at. Its just not cool And I only get a smidge of what the other mods get as they are more prolific.

]Never say ever. Or every. Kind of puts you on the spot, unless you really mean that. How many spam bans, porn bans, etc.. do you get a challenge on from the AO community? I fully support the majority of the bans that have occured.

The problem isnt Sigs, as others pointed out. It is certain people. And theses people forget AO doesnt belong to them. They want to strongarm their opinions onto others. They want to help decide who goes and who stays. Well it doesnt work like that. This is a public forum - but it is REGULATED. We are the regulators.

]Kind of like Marlon Brando in The Missouri Breaks.

If I were to bet, I would say Sigs might come back in a few months. Even if in just Text form. But I suppose that will depend on several other things happening.

]Like what ,for example? If you aim at nothing, you are sure to hit it. Give us a target.

Part of the great thing about AO and WHY its grown is its community like astmosphere. There are regulars and people known for certain things. There is enough of a base that when there is a big event AOers can congregate. But - just like any group - we now have little cliches. Groups of "Jets" and "Sharks" who dont like eachother and have thier own little slap fest here. If people could just learn to ignore those who bug them - this wouldnt be such a dramatic place at time.

First of all, it is "Clique". Webster defines it as a group that is held together by common interests, views, or purpose. So if people agree with each other they must be "jets or sharks"? I'm really not clear on what this is about - are there some internecine fueds going on that only you are aware of?